Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Some of us understand that there are risks associated with AFK ratting in our carriers, and are willing to accept them. Rather than try to justify mechanics created before the introduction of capital class ships, in a heavily biased attempt to discourage PvP.

Just copy pasting rather than writing a real response to your post because, let's be honest, you didn't actually make any points.

How is it off topic? Asuka has self destructed a number of carriers in the past, and uses them to rat, which is why she is against an extension of SD timers for capitals. She has no interest in it from a PvP or fleet engagement perspective, and has made no arguments concerning the way this mechanic negatively effects large capital fights.

Asuka, and yourself, both posted in this thread either claiming that two minutes is a reasonable timer or that people should just bring more DPS. You have no experience to back that up, nor does Asuka, and Asuka also has a vested interest in maintaining the capacity to hide her mistakes. I'd say that's pretty relevant.

Personally, I don't care about ratting carriers, we can titan bridge in and gank the crap out of them if we want to, but this mechanic very seriously effects capital ship warfare on a fleet level. When we see 13 RA supers hitting a structure, what happens? Nothing. Because ganking them would mean we take losses, they SD, we get none of that officer loot to cover losses and KB looks like they came out on top. (And the KB does matter, unfortunately, when it's used for recruitment of new corps/players)

Unless of course you think ganking 13 supers in <2 minutes is viable?

1) You've claimed in other threads that you have self destructed them before.

2) I've provided plenty of arguments, and I don't care about KMs. I care primarily about having an incentive to engage large super cap fleets, rather than just watch them SD and take their officer loot with them. Leaving the KBs skewed in their favor as they go.

3) I own capitals on two characters, am in the process of buying a super cap, and I'm mainly a PvE toon. So how am I a space poor KM jewing blobber? To be honest this mechanic as it stands benefits me more than it hinders me, that doesn't stop me from admitting it's utterly ridiculous.

Look at all these pubbies that have never seen, more or less flown a capital spout forth their opinions...

Ships I kill with the most? T3s, because they're effective, and if you look at my BC most of my T3s cost more than a carrier. But that's somewhat beside the point, very few people use carriers as their primary PvP ship so I don't know what you were expecting to see here.


As I said, I use my caps mostly for PvE, since I'm primarily a PvE character. To shamelessly quote myself: "I'm mainly a PvE toon (...) this mechanic as it stands benefits me more than it hinders me, that doesn't stop me from admitting it's utterly ridiculous.".

But that's besides the point, I've still killed caps, fought in fleets alongside them, my alt flies carriers/supers and I have a reasonable amount of PvP experience. I'll admit my PvP experience is more limited than some others, since I'm a carebear, but I've still got quite a bit of experience from doing it.

Anyway your point seems to boil down to me having not lost a carrier, ever. How is that bad? I don't lose many ships, bravo, your deductive powers have reached new heights.


Most of my KMs on Shaidar have under ten people on. There are a few on Diaz with 60+ on, from CTAs, but mostly in PvP I either come along as logi on Diaz if it's a big gang, or play with Shaidar in a T3, hac or BC if it's small gang stuff.

*sees that this topic has sufficiently turned into an arguement, so fires of a round of likes in a drive by *

Here's my proposal. Allow self - destruct mechanics to remain the same but have the killmail given to highest dps pilot other than the damage taken in the self destruct.

A self destructing Nyx for example:

Victim: John Doe

Total Damage Taken: 4,298,876

Involved Parties:

John Doe
John Doe Corp
John Doe Alliance
Nyx
Self-Destruct: 2,342,847 (54.49%)

Party 2 346,897 (8.06%)

Party 3 324,987 (7.55%)

etc.

This would properly award those persons efforts that contributed to that ship loss (both technically in damage amount, and strategically in forcing that pilot to self destruct since he was going to die anyway.)

I believe this would be a great addition to the secondary mechanics of pvp and would be a subconscious motivator in properly awarding recognition of combat victory.