These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Science & Industry

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page123Next page
 

Industrialist and standings, a no-go?

First post
Author
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-13 17:18:58 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
Quote:
also can you contactually exchange POS ownership between corps if so does the 'buying' corp need the correct standings


standings are applied automatically after 1 week as the average among all the corp members. This is true always but you need the necessary standings just to anchor the control tower. After that, anyone can join the corp and ntill the next anchoring no issue about which are the average standings in the corp


Do you mean that I need the correct personal standings to anchor a tower?

For example: I buy a research corp-faction standings 7.0. The creator leaves the corp. I (faction standings -4.5) then go to anchor a POS. Seven days has not elapsed since I joined the corp. Do I get to anchor the POS?
Haffsol
#22 - 2012-02-13 17:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
Quote:
For example: I buy a research corp-faction standings 7.0. The creator leaves the corp. I (faction standings -4.5) then go to anchor a POS. Seven days has not elapsed since I joined the corp. Do I get to anchor the POS?

you should be able since 7 days before the corp had +7 standing but I'm just guessing from what I've read. Also I don't think the fact the previous owner left the corp is changing anything _if 7 days are not elapsed yet_ but of course I could be wrong again.

For sure you'll have problems if you'll have to anchor again your pos, and this could happen for several reasons. That's why I'm putting some efforts in building good standings towards all the empire factions. Of course if you're -4.5 you're pvp-ing and you'll never be +5 so..... I'd train a corp alt or an indy one even better.
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#23 - 2012-02-13 17:52:21 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
I'll just need an high-sec POS where to run my research and invention jobs.


Assuming that your goal is T2 invention & manufacturing, the real bottle-neck you’re likely to see as a hi-sec industrialist is copy queue times in hi-sec stations; open invention and manufacturing slots are a dime a dozen in most systems. The best suggestion I can offer to you while you're getting your business off the ground is for you to get a copy alt installed in a low-sec station in a low-traffic region of space. Copy queues of less than 2 days are not hard to find once you get away from the populated areas of space, and open copy slots are not uncommon. Getting in and out of low traffic areas of low-sec with a shuttle full of T1 BPCs is not difficult and your risk is minimal. Getting your BPOs in can be risky if you are dealing with valuable BPOs, but it’s a one-time risk that can be mitigated with a scout.

While most hardcore industrialists will eventually grow their business to the point that a POS is a must for continued growth, starting your business from a well-equipped medium POS is tying a 200Misk/month overhead cost to your business, putting 300M+ in assets at risk, and gives you the sense that you need to run the business or lose money. If you run from NPC stations, your job times will be longer, and you may need to queue up jobs; but there is no overhead cost of operation (or not operating), and your front cost is limited to your BPOs and invention & manufacturing stock.

While considering a business that you don’t know you’ll enjoy (this is after all a game), and before you’ve even discovered the real profit potential of your business and your markets, small business is good business. Once you’re enjoying a successful business and you are confident in both your supply and customer markets, then worry about growth.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#24 - 2012-02-13 18:01:31 UTC
Just remember, when you've got a lead time on access to copy queues, it's best to create a whole bunch of copies at once. Might take longer to get back to you, but it's easier to swallow one 5 day lead time, and get back fifty copies, than it is to swallow 10.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#25 - 2012-02-13 18:15:57 UTC
Quote:
Of course if you're -4.5 you're pvp-ing and you'll never be +5 so

I think his -4.5 he is referring to is faction standing, which is unaffected by PvP, not Security Status, which is affected by PvP.

If you are -4.5, you are close to being shot by the local navies in the higher sec systems - which can be annoying. It doesn't hurt to train a few levels of diplomacy (if you haven't already) and maybe get a few storyline missions to help get your faction standing up a bit. You will be stuck with level 1 agents until you reach a faction standing of -2.0.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#26 - 2012-02-13 18:28:56 UTC
I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet but if you decide to grind standings you can influence what type of story line missions you get by what story line agent you use.

As others have said you can gain storyline missions from running any mission type. mining, courier, security, even the research missions count. the only stipulation is they need to be the same level for the same faction. courier missions can be very fast to get storyline missions as even level 4 courier missions generally take less than 5 minutes. just make sure to be well away from low sec while running them or you will get deliveries in low sec.

Once you get you 16 missions you will get a storyline mission from the storyline agent for the faction you have been working for that is closest to the agent you ran your 16th mission for. Some corps lean more towards courier missions and other more towards security missions. security missions will generally give more of a boost but can be hard if you are not a combat character.

If you are going to grind faction in this way I suggest finding a storyline agent that works for the corp you are most interested in a you will get significant corp standings for the corp the storyline agent belongs to to as well as the faction boost for the storyline agent.

I have found that logistics, manufacturing, and distribution corps tend to mostly give courier missions but I believe the ratio of mission types is similar to the ratio of agent types working for that corp. I have not tested this but it has seemed to work this way for me. however the types of missions you run does not seem to influence the type of storyline mission you get.

For example if you run courier missions for all 16 missions but the closest storyline agent works for a corp that is mostly combat oriented like Caldari Navy for example you have a very high chance of getting a combat storyline. While if you run all security missions for Caldari Navy but the closest storyline agent works for Hyasyoda you will get mostly courier missions. At least that is how it worked for me. Like I said I did not test this but this was my personal experience.
Haffsol
#27 - 2012-02-13 18:57:51 UTC
Quote:
I think his -4.5 he is referring to is faction standing, which is unaffected by PvP, not Security Status, which is affected by PvP.

omg, my bad I keep on confusing the two. Must be because my sec status is 0.01 after almost 6 months playing :p

As regards the discussion about high-sec pos Vs low sec NPC lines...... that is the real question I'lll try to understand in the coming month(s). I was more oriented on the pos for several reasons, most of all cause it allows me to have _always_ the total control of my jobs and not depending on free lines and so on.
At least for the firt times I won't even look at the profitability of the time I'll spend in my pos. Also, I'd like to start with a small control tower, just to see how things work and doing some PI to pay off at lesat a part of the fuel. Guess in the same time I'll run some research and possibly copies in low-sec (travel shouldn't be a problem since I can fly a blockade runner in a week). Then I'll see.

In the meantime I'm totally open to suggestions.

Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#28 - 2012-02-13 19:14:31 UTC
If you are not adverse to low-sec, then you might check out the low-sec area just 'south' of Hek in the Metropolos region. There were several NPC corps that used to have copy slots with short lines, and even the ME slots had relatively short (6-12 days used to be normal) queues. I do not know if this is still the case or not. Resbroko is the entry low-sec system, and it was (is?) not typically camped, and to be safe, accessing Rebroko via the 'side' (Amo) avoided almost all the camps there.

This area is also only a few jumps from Uttindar, where there are lots of courier agents for Minmatar Mining Corp. (multiple levels). The trips into low-sec often went through Hagilur, which is a lot more risky than Resbroko, but I have only been popped there once, and that was while leaving a station in a t1 hauler. If you are so inclined, all the Boundless Creation R&D agents are in this area. It is not the best R&D corp, but the agents are all close together. I ran 1 level 2, 2 level 3s, and 2 level 4s in that area for a long time. I still keep the level 4s - one have mech engineering in Amo (hi sec) and the other does Nuclear Physics for me in Evati (low-sec).
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#29 - 2012-02-13 19:31:12 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
Guess in the same time I'll run some research and possibly copies in low-sec (travel shouldn't be a problem since I can fly a blockade runner in a week)


When cargo volume is not a concern, a shuttle is actually safer to run through low-sec than a blockade runner due to the very fast align time, and it doesn't put a 100Misk ship (without fittings) in harms way. If you have other business that requirers a sizeable cargo hold, then by all means break out the BR, but for BPCs a shuttle is more than up to the task.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#30 - 2012-02-13 19:45:16 UTC
Or Cov Ops with a bunch of nanofibers low...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#31 - 2012-02-13 20:35:11 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
Quote:
All missions offer storyline missions every 16 missions.

that's why I had the sensation I was missing something lol
Thanks this gives me at least the chance to work on faction standings without training combat skills, even if......

Quote:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_center
.
Brought my Ammatar Mandate from 1.66 to 5.1 in 36 hours and slapped up my Tower.



After training for the hulk and orca (+ some related skills) I'm still waiting for the itty 5. In a week or so I'll start training for R&D and it seems like at that point the standings issue won't be be an issue anymore. And yes, I have money to invest in tags



I only needed to buy 50 of the tags required and it was still 550,000,000. THAT kind of cash.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2012-02-13 20:37:38 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
In a similar situation to the OP.

As I understand it you have to choose 1 side (2 factions) to specialise in is that correct ?

Also how do I stop my standing to the opposite factions tanking too much ?


Just run for at least one Corp in each Faction. And use THIS: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

...whenever you do a mission. Decline any that give you a Standings Hit for a faction. This will let you know if you read carefully.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#33 - 2012-02-13 20:39:20 UTC
Cindy Marco wrote:
Its not expensive to get a corp with standings to anchor POS. It only takes 7 days during which the only thing I have to do is exist as a member of a corp.



He stated he wants to be independent...................

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2012-02-13 20:41:38 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
Quote:
you are aware that in order to set up a POS, you are required to be in a corporation with derived standings of at least 5.00 towards one of the factions in order to anchor said tower in hisec, correct?

that's mainly why I opened this thread, so.... yes I am and that's why I want my own standings to be at 5 with at least Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar since I'm making plans for a 1-man corp.

btw, let me bump one of the previous question about a "good NPC corp" to mission for. Requisites? Being spread all over Empire, having different kind of agents and different levels (not only L1 and 2 Distribution ones like many have). Those I found are Joint Harvesting, Core Complexion, Quafe and Freedom Extension. Need a couple more :p


Kaalakiota is everywhere pretty much (not in Ammatar though).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#35 - 2012-02-13 20:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Arpad Elo wrote:
Some quick questions:



Is there a real advantage to getting standings with all these spread-out corps instead of getting standings with just maybe even one corp? Like, how much flexibility do you actually need here and what are the short term benefits of such diversity?

Can you set up a personal pos in someone else's corp or do you need roles for that (I assume roles, but then you can designate the pos as personal). What happens to the pos if you switch corps to someone else's corp where you don't have roles?

Note: Dec Shield exists, and should help you with protection.


I got mine with Ammatar Mandate with only Ammatar Fleet Corp. After doing the Data Centers and getting 5.1, I instantly had access to Level 4 with Ammatar Consulate Corp as well. AND with Khanid Kingdom and Khanid Works, and I've never been there or done a THING for them..... so go figure that one.Shocked

Anyone can anchor the POS IF they have permissions, BUT only the CEO can assign all the roles for it.....unless you are given Director privileges which is highly unlikely to happen.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2012-02-13 20:50:37 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Cheers. Smile




I don't understand the relevance of these tables and how I could use the data to more quickly gain/ lose less standings, could you explan please

/edit also can you contactually exchange POS ownership between corps if so does the 'buying' corp need the correct standings


Check out the 10.0 for Blood Raider Covenant. That means you are -8.0 to Amarr. if you check over to the left under the Amarr column. Repeat for rest of table.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#37 - 2012-02-13 20:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Jas Dor wrote:
Haffsol wrote:
Quote:
also can you contactually exchange POS ownership between corps if so does the 'buying' corp need the correct standings


standings are applied automatically after 1 week as the average among all the corp members. This is true always but you need the necessary standings just to anchor the control tower. After that, anyone can join the corp and ntill the next anchoring no issue about which are the average standings in the corp


Do you mean that I need the correct personal standings to anchor a tower?

For example: I buy a research corp-faction standings 7.0. The creator leaves the corp. I (faction standings -4.5) then go to anchor a POS. Seven days has not elapsed since I joined the corp. Do I get to anchor the POS?



The average faction standing must be MAINTAINED SOLID at required level for 7 DownTimes.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2012-02-13 20:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


Once you get you 16 missions you will get a storyline mission from the storyline agent for the faction you have been working for that is closest to the agent you ran your 16th mission for.


A note about this that came up in a petition for me last month.....

......if you start ANY new AGENT within any Corp in that Faction...any new one at ALL....it will reset that 16 count BACK to ZERO.

Found that out the hard way. Seemed to take forever to obtain a storyline, and the GM responded with that about starting a new agent. I had been at 15 missions with Ammatar Mandate and started a Level 4 agent that I just qualified for ......and went back to zero. So I had to do 31 missions until a Storyline.

Who knew ???

So starting a new agent for any faction is best immediately after a Storyline mission, as it is already at zero then.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2012-02-13 21:04:33 UTC
Finished with the flood (faints).

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#40 - 2012-02-13 23:36:48 UTC
Cheers for all the good info guys Lol

Fly safe

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]

Previous page123Next page