Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think that there is room in eve for at least 2-3 more Destroyers and some T2 versions of them as well.
There is only one Destroyer Tier and one T2 version avalable. Why not add more colour to eve and add a few more.

Here are my suggestions. There might be better out there, if you have any please post them or link.

EDIT to link new ideas posted later in this thread:
Covert Logistic ship: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=982755#post982755
Covert Citadel Bomber: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=927483#post927483
Drone Specialist : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=808268#post808268
Anti-Cloaking Destroyer (Sub hunter): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=919583#post919583

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This is the OP:

Im just putting this out there. Hope you like it

>Tier2; Destroyer, (Bonus type, Slots; Low/Med/High)
Role Bonus
Bonus: 25% bonus to ROF

Amarr: Laser & Armor bonus. 5/2/7
Caldari: Missile & Shield bonus. 2/5/7
Gallente: Hybrid & Drone bonus. 4/3/7
Minmatar: Projectile & Speed bonus. 3/4/7

Concept for the Tier2 is that they are slightly heavyer/tougher destroyers than Tier1 (-1 high and +1 med/low slots). Thay could be a smaller version of the Tier 3 or tier 4 Cruisers.


>Tier2; Destroyer /
Tech2; Heavy Stealth Bomber
Fits 5x Torp and 2x Bomb Launcers
Amarr: Same as Stealth Bomber. 6/2/7
Caldari: Same as Stealth Bomber. 2/6/7
Gallente: Same as Stealth Bomber. 5/3/7
Minmatar: Same as Stealth Bomber. 3/5/7

Concept here is to add a another level to the advancement of the origenal frig sized Stealth Bomber, hopefully without taking over the role compleatly. Maybe having them use Improved cloak only, not able to use the CovOps Cloak.


>Tier3; Destroyer.
Role Bonus: Lower Cruiser Weapon CPU & GRID.
Fits Cruiser size weapons

Concept is somthing like the Tier3 BC.


>Tier4; Destroyer Drone EW Specialists.
(Bandwith 50, Dronebay 100m3)
Role Bonus:+20% Drone Speed. +20% Drone racial Damadge. (Penalty: Few Missile/Turret Hardpoints)

Amarr: +10% Tracking Disrupting & Neutralizing Drones effect.
Caldari: +10% level to Drone ECM strength.
Gallente: +5% Warp Disruptor range. +10% to Sensor Dampening Drones.
Minmatar: +5% level to Stasis Webifyer range. +10% Target Painting Drones.

Concept is to have a small specialist Drone boat that can use the EW drones (that are almost never used anyway) or use the racial type of drones. EW bonuses primarily for Drones!

Thank you

Is there a role for Assault frigs and Electronic attack ships? They are just smaller/Cheaper versions of the HAC and Recon arent they? Is there a role for the BC and BS tier 2-3, arent they just heavyer versions of the Tier1 ship?

I think that there is defenatly a role for more smaller ships. Eve is just a sandbox and what could be wrong with adding more toys in there and let players play around with it. Many ships are probably used diffrently that 'intended'. Many ships are not used that much, but still there is a role for them. Even if they were added just for flavor it would still be nice. Im not saying that they should be ingame tomorrow but adding them one by one in new patches would be cool.
Variation is great and for new and old players it would be cool to have a few more Destroyers, if there is no role for them today Im shure that players will carve out a path for them and they will be used!

Just look at the Ship lineup.

T1 Frig -24
T2 Frig -28
Faction Frig -17
T1 Destroyer -4
T2 Destroyer -4
Faction Destroyer -0
T1 Cruiser -16
T2 Cruiser -24
Faction Cruiser -17
T1 BC -12
T2 BC -8
Faction BC -0
T1 BS -12
T2 BS -8
Faction BS -15

Looking at this list you still think one class in under-represented ingame?

Finally, we dont haveto agrea eather, this is eve isnt it, we can discuss this with Lazors

LOL my bad, fixed

Destroyers alreay have a role. Beat the **** out of frigates.

Well in a way I could argue that no ship in the game now had a role before the ship was actually intoduced.
The game could have just one ship of each type, frig, dessy, cruiser etc. But that would be less fun right?

I was suggesting maybe using the Destroyer platform to add a 'hevyer' bomber ship with 2-3 launchers and maybe not using the covops cloak like just about all other cloaky ships use. The stealth bomber dindnt always warp cloaked, another suggestion is for a ship that takes advantage of EW drones, never seen them used in pvp myself tbh. Why not have a platform that would have bonuses to using them, bonuses might actually make them useful!

A lot of the ships in game now overlap each other in role so always just saying there isnt a role for more destroyers is kinda pointless isnt it? Is there a role for the Tier1 Destroyer ingame now? If there is why not allow players to choose between at least 2-3 diffrent hulls, having them slightly diffrent.
Comparing them to the BC is acurate, but I was making a point as well comparing to the multitute of ships in other classes. BC and Destroyers are ships that most pilots can and do ignore. Why not make them more interesting? Why did CCP make the new Tier3 BC? Why not a Destroyer with Cruiser guns?

Done right a tier2 and tier3 Destroyers could be a interesting ships to roam or for new players to mission in. There are many brilliant players in eve that would probably find a fitting or setup that could make this a good ship. With signature maybe x2 of a frig and only 50% of a Cruiser combined with speed can still give it some survivability. If surviavability is really an issue then maybe just trweak resists a bit tbh, Im not saying that a Dessy should win against a cruiser (though some players are really bad).

Now looking at Faction warfare, could more Destroyer hulls be interesting there? Many people dont have the isk to loose a lot of ships and I think some of those people might like more of them. Dessy hull is what, app 25% of a Cruiser hull and 3x the price of a frig hull.

Gather up a few friends in destroyers and you can even kill a freighter in highsec

Maybe this is the Reason for them to be in game (in the world of tinfoil hats) but its not a Role.

that question is often thrown around, I would say that I see no reason for not having more variations of ships that don't have to fill out a "NEW ROLE!"

like the new BC which didn't really add a new role, but just had more fire power and less tank. some ship variations within the same class of size would be nice, even of same hull... (example: a thorax with less ehp, but more speed)

I am all for more destroyer options, but I am not sure how the electronic frigs could be fixed...

Maybe if the frigs were to use a single big and heavy gun, they could swarm bigger ships, giving them back a combat role.

i would've supported this, but for the implications. the main issue is that adding new ships to eve primarily adds to the complexity of balancing them, an area ccp is frankly struggling with, but seems to have at least realized given their recent attempt at hybrid turret/ammo tweaking (only part of the problem imo, the ship hulls are the other). four races and lord knows how many ships is a monumental balancing task, one that has a ways to go imo.

you go adding a new level of destroyers and what have you done relative to the other ships in the game? what have you just done to t1 frigs? t2 frigs? t1 cruisers?

t1 frigs are already all but useless. t1 cruisers are tricky at best. afaik, there is really only ONE place in eve in which ships are given a specific forum to be used against ships of relatively equal strength/skill, and that's FW, which is ironically (or appropriately given apparent ineptitude in this dept.) an area that ccp has all but ignored.

really, given their track record, ccp needs to focus on balancing the current lineup while giving them more dynamic and/or useful roles within eve long before they throw more ships at the wall for the sake of having a t2 ship where there isn't one, or more representation of a particular ship.

tldr: ships for the sake of eve, not ships for the sake of ships.

Frigates and Cruisers are instrumental in EvE. Even at the Tech 1 (Introductory level) and are far from useless. You know how someone learns to fly a Vagabond? First the fly Rifters, then they fly Stabbers. This is more then true in multiple ways, and is a much less embarassing and more cost effective way to learn to PvP in EvE.

Even after the learning bit- T1 ships are fun to fly, fun to use, and cheap to lose. There are no such things as bad ships in EvE, just bad pilots. Creativity is a weapon.