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Why can't I buy them skills?

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ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-02-13 13:47:20 UTC
Thabiso wrote:

Anywho, I've gotten the point - new players aren't welcome :-)

Thread over ^^


lol took you 2 whole pages to finally realize that?

Enjoy WoW. :)

Proof that capital ships are rare in EVE: http://imgur.com/gallery/jJJE1

Thabiso
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#42 - 2012-02-13 13:53:32 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
Thabiso wrote:

Anywho, I've gotten the point - new players aren't welcome :-)

Thread over ^^


lol took you 2 whole pages to finally realize that?

Enjoy WoW. :)


Actually more, they removed a bunch of "GTFO" and "^this" messages :-)

And I will, at some point in the future most likely play WoW - I doubt I will ever be "hardcore" enough in any game to stick around for ever - trolling new players. When next WoW expansion is released I will most likely check it out - who knows, they might actually make it a fun game again.
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-02-13 13:56:20 UTC
Thabiso wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
Thabiso wrote:

Anywho, I've gotten the point - new players aren't welcome :-)

Thread over ^^


lol took you 2 whole pages to finally realize that?

Enjoy WoW. :)


Actually more, they removed a bunch of "GTFO" and "^this" messages :-)

And I will, at some point in the future most likely play WoW - I doubt I will ever be "hardcore" enough in any game to stick around for ever - trolling new players. When next WoW expansion is released I will most likely check it out - who knows, they might actually make it a fun game again.


The graphics will always suck. No matter what they do, it's still a 2004 game that never had a real graphics update.

Try Star Trek Online. Or the single player game X3 Terran Conflict/Albion Prelude.

Proof that capital ships are rare in EVE: http://imgur.com/gallery/jJJE1

Josef Djugashvilis
#44 - 2012-02-13 14:02:58 UTC
Plex for skills = pay to win.

No.

This is not a signature.

TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-02-13 15:25:38 UTC
Thabiso wrote:
. Anywho, I've gotten the point - new players aren't welcome :-)

Thread over ^^


egh.....
You really don't get the point.
New players are welcome.
Eve is a sandbox.
You (and everyone else) can do what ever you want.
If you want to auto-pilot a freighter full of morphite from deep 0.0 to Jita, you can but it's entirely your fault if it explodes.

Skill training, the way it is in eve, is different to most other MMOs and it surves a purpose.

You just need to accept that eve, unlike most other games out there, isn't a time sink that holds your hand a leads you slowly from A through Z and is basically a film with quick time events.

Eve has choice and consiquence and you have to live with the consiquences of your actions.

If eve's not for you, then great, go play something else, if it is for you then even better, grow some balls and get stuck in
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#46 - 2012-02-13 16:21:01 UTC
Thabiso wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Any 2M SP character can tackle the 100M SP ship until it gets popped. Nobody is useless in EvE, unless they decide to be so.


Both you and the other guy kinda miss the point. If you sink those 2M SP into PvE or Industry, you are worth nothing in a PvP situation - thus you are forced to sink your SP into PvP to fend for yourself.

And you don't get 2M SP in one week fyi.

Now obviously, I get that people don't like instant SP exchange; but what I would love to hear from you is why not. Arguments like GTFO, recursive "this" and "no way in hell" doesn't really help me see your point of the view - as a new player, you end up feeling like there is a party, but you are definitely not invited; you only get to sit in the kitchen eating leftovers from the popular kids.


If you sunk 2M in industry then TA-DA! You are good for industry.

See how "making choices and take the consequences of them responsibly" make EvE different than WoW?

Here you can't have your cake and eat it.


Also, I went in a pure PvP corp when I could *not* fit a T1 Rifter yet, I had to use all sorts of CPU / grid enhancers and so on. Yet I got into the damn rifter, got a damn scrammer and went to damn die while tackling bigger stuff for the corpies to kill.

Every your excuse reeks of just that: excuse.

You can't adapt the game to you, you need to adapt to the game. Or, as all the others told you in simpler terms, GTFO.
Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
#47 - 2012-02-13 17:33:27 UTC
Thabiso wrote:


I get your points, however:
* Why is character trading ok, but instant SP is not? Isn't that just another side of same percieved evil?
* It will reduce some implants value, but you are assuming that everyone will be willing to dump hundreds of dollars into a game - look at farmville, they have had massive success with a combined model. You can get all the shines by working hour after hour, waiting for your crops to grow; or you can buy this magic pill and get there faster.
All players are benefitting of those who are dumping their hard earned money into the game. More cashflow (real cash) means more developer time, which means we will get T4 and custom hello kitty frigates. (I sooo want to pop someone flying a pink hello kitty space ship).

Also, your last two points, those are the things I'm complaining about - not sure why this would apply, can you explain?


Well personally I don't even like the idea of character trading and I think there shouldn't be such system, but people would still do it through third party means, which would open a whole new can of worms (hacked accounts, CCP would need more recources to babysit illegal sales etc.), so it's lesser of two evils for CCP and players. While I don't like it, I still see it's necessary. Also with character trading you can't buy max SP, like you could with buying SP, since there are no characters with SP maxed.

The 2 last points because the older players with more SP and knowledge of the game would benefit more than newer players, since they know what they are doing and they usually have more isk. Hypothetically, if players were able to use PLEX to buy SP, older players wouldn't have to buy as many PLEX to max their SP and many of them would have the isk for it.

As for catching up, with more and more players with more and more SP, the competition in every aspect of the game would get harder, which in my mind would make me feel that "I have to" buy SP to keep myself competitive, which would mean I would "have to" get more PLEX, so "I have to" grind more isk to buy the PLEX. Hence introduce the "catching up" as a concept.
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#48 - 2012-02-13 20:03:55 UTC
Ok - a couple of points:

1. Do you know how to use the "search" function on the forums? If you did, and if you chose to use it, you would see that there are MANY threads with the same bullshit idea that you have, and that it gets shot down every time. So the answer is NO.

2. What makes EVE different from every other MMO out there is the skill queue, and that everyone is in the same universe. That's it. Otherwise, it's the same ****, different looks. Now you want to remove the queue?!? WTF is wrong with you? Go find another game.

3. You asked why character trading is OK? Well there are a number of players, myself included, who don't think it is. However, it's the least game-wrecking way for CCP to allow for "pay-to-win" and make a little more money for themselves.

Please, you call it buying SP, but it's just pay-to-win, and would destroy the game for anyone who is a casual player. We would no longer be able to compete with those who pay for perfect PvP skills (or perfect industry, whatever) and would stop playing, because we were NOT willing to put a bunch of money into a game that I already pay for! Pay-to-win defeats the purpose of having a skill queue, will give everyone with extra money a ton of SP that they haven't earned, and will take away that long-term skill goal down the road.

Before you biomass yourself, feel free to contract me all your stuff and send me your ISK.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-02-13 23:33:04 UTC
I'll give you a serious answer since you seem so serious.

The differences between Wow and Eve are many, most of them are asthetic, but a few are fundimental.

-Specialization: Eve allows extreme specialization making it so that a young character can perform just as well as a 8 year old character in that specific aspect

-Tactics: When I played WoW I remember that no matter how many level 10 characters were attacking a level 30 character they would never have a chance. In Eve this is not the case, a single small ship can and has destroyed ships much larger than it. Fleets of frigates have completely destroyed capital ships in minutes. Only 2-3 competent frigate pilots can ambush and destroy well tanked battleships before backup can arrive. Basically what I'm saying is that instead of more SP you need more competent friends to help you learn how the game works, tactics over skills.

I am really only refering to PVP as there is a conceptual cap on industry if you don't get to involved with production. Orca/Frieghter with good trade skills is all you really need. While PVP environments a person can spend years upon years training and still find something to train in. The base industrial cap is easily reached inside of a year, and if you cut off some of the fat, you become a solid miner inside 4 months.

Allowing SP to be bought outright would only increase the botting issues that the game already faces. People would need to gain more and more isk to instantly increase there SP, bots can easily pull in billions a day in revenue so the proliferation of high SP toons in shiny ships will skyrocket, making the game even more non new player friendly as the base for entry requires a botting account with base skills and setup as well as several hundred dollar investment just to attain the base skill required to bot so you can farm more sp.

This would break the spirit of the game, hyperinflate the value of ISK, and turn Eve into a grinding fest of unplayability. I hope that this helps. In closing I would like to suggest improving your understanding of game mechanics involving PVP, even basic knowledge of these as an industrialist will increase your survivability rate a lot.

If you do this and still feel the same way then I invite you to play any of the other games that are on the market that may appeal to you better. Thank you for your consideration and good day.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-

Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#50 - 2012-02-16 05:57:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
SP sales in any form would only utterly destroy the game.


My word, I actually +1'ed an Andski post...!

But also, fixed it.

Ni.

Bearilian
Man Eating Bears
#51 - 2012-02-16 11:29:16 UTC
I'm hoping most everyone is with me, but have not read everything. just saying no to the OP.
-1 buying sp goes against what i play EVE for. that would just let every rich guy out there own 4 to 5 characters with maxed skills. ccp may make some temporary money off this, but would lose money in the long run for destroying the balance of character development...
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