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Valei Khurelem
#1 - 2012-02-13 12:57:57 UTC
Let's look at the benefits of this shall we?

. No one will have to deal with the repetitiveness and boredom of mining or mission running

. Any cheaters who bot will no longer have an advantage over honest players who want to play the game normally

. CCP make more money from bot accounts being made

. CCP can properly regulate bots and go after illegal ISK sellers since they will have more support

. People can code their own bots and put it out for free, CCP devs could also code some standard ones for people

. No one will really feel the need to buy ISK anymore because they can play EVE way more casually and not have to stare at a computer screen for hours to make sure they don't die while making ISK

. Very little of the game would need to be changed to accommodate people who can't be bothered spending months of their lives grinding for something that isn't even going to get them anything in real life i.e. people who have lives

. CCP can focus more on adding stuff in the game and improving the gameplay rather than catching bots constantly, it will save them a lot of money

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-13 13:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daeva Teresa
And plex market will die. All players who live from buying plexes will leave. Market will colapse - nothing will have any real value and no one will buy your's loot or minerals.

Well I hope you meaned this as a joke because no sane person could mean this for real.

Add: And CCP have small division to deal with bots, they are NOT focusing on to deal with them.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
Twisted Trucker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-13 13:12:27 UTC
Uhmm, NO!


NEXT!
Valei Khurelem
#4 - 2012-02-13 13:16:05 UTC
Twisted Trucker wrote:
Uhmm, YES!


NEXT!


fixt, because I like doing this more rather than trying to seriously respond to you people anymore.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#5 - 2012-02-13 13:21:35 UTC
Daeva Teresa wrote:
And plex market will die. All players who live from buying plexes will leave. Market will colapse - nothing will have any real value and no one will buy your's loot or minerals.

Well I hope you meaned this as a joke because no sane person could mean this for real.

Add: And CCP have small division to deal with bots, they are NOT focusing on to deal with them.




What he said.

Botting is bad, mkay.

And anyway, if you're grinding you're doing it wrong. I don't mean if you're doing something repetitive, I mean if you're doing something repetitive, monotonous and completely devoid of fun. Every person has their own definition of what that is. For me it's rinse/repeat missions but some people love that.

If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.
Valei Khurelem
#6 - 2012-02-13 13:25:08 UTC
Quote:

If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.


Well done for finally getting what I've been saying about EVE Online and all games like it.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Manuel Diaz
HelloKittyFanclub
#7 - 2012-02-13 13:29:57 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:

If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.


Well done for finally getting what I've been saying about EVE Online and all games like it.
Take your own advise, stop playing Eve.

I also feel obliged to leave the standard "can I have your stuff", but after reading your posts that probably amounts to T1 missioning ships and a hulk.
Griptus
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-02-13 13:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Griptus
It's a good idea. Most rpgs offer some level of automation, whether it's higherable npcs who assist you in doing menial tasks or who do menial tasks entirely on their own. I'm surprised CCP still hasn't implemented something in that department.

The impetus for players to employ bots in the first place is that mining and missions don't yield enough in-game money for the time you spend doing it. I have a hulk with t2 strippers, t2 crystals, and max out mining skills and still I can't get more than about 1.5 million ISK per hour mining high sec ores, and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe. At that rate, it takes about 20 hours to raise the 30 million isk it costs to replace a battlecruiser and, if you only have 2 hours a day to play Eve, it take about a week and a half.

But I suspect that this is by design. CCP wants us to give up and buy in-game money through trading PLEX, which is the most expensive way to sub.
Manuel Diaz
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-02-13 13:35:42 UTC
Griptus wrote:
It's a good idea. Most rpgs offer some level of automation, whether it's higherable npcs who assist you in doing menial tasks or who do menial tasks entirely on their own. I'm surprised CCP still hasn't implemented something in that department.

The impetus for players to employ bots in the first place is that mining and missions don't yield enough in-game money for the time you spend doing it. I have a hulk with t2 strippers, t2 crystals, and max out mining skills and still I can't get more than about 1.5 million ISK per hour mining high sec ores, and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe. At that rate, it takes about 20 hours to raise the 30 million isk it costs to replace a battlecruiser and, if you only have 2 hours a day to play Eve, it's take about a week and a half.

But I suspect that this is by design. CCP wants us to give up and buy in-game money through trading PLEX, which is the most expensive way to sub.
Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.
Griptus
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-13 13:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Griptus
Manuel Diaz wrote:

Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.

Griptus wrote:

...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-13 13:49:23 UTC
I feel like I'm looking at an RL "Legalize Marij-uana" argument. You have the guy who comes in saying "Legalize it!" and announcing all of the benefits it has and pointing out the lack of real detriments. Then you have all the anti-legalization people who come in repeating what they read online, regardless of any real factual evidence to back it up, and get huffy at the idea of someone actually wanting it to be legalized. Then the topic moves on and it is still illegal.

Keep fighting, bro! Down with the system!

Proof that capital ships are rare in EVE: http://imgur.com/gallery/jJJE1
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-13 13:51:19 UTC
Botting is ruining EvE. To let it continue or to even sanction it in any way will only ruin EvE more. This is not an argument you will ever win. It is simply not possible. Give up now.

/thread.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-02-13 13:53:57 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Botting is ruining EvE. To let it continue or to even sanction it in any way will only ruin EvE more. This is not an argument you will ever win. It is simply not possible. Give up now.

/thread.


People have lost lives over it! There's no real proof, but I'm telling you it's tru-... oh wait, wrong topic. Sorry, yours sounded so similar. ^_^

Proof that capital ships are rare in EVE: http://imgur.com/gallery/jJJE1
Valei Khurelem
#14 - 2012-02-13 13:57:45 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Botting is ruining EvE. To let it continue or to even sanction it in any way will only ruin EvE more. This is not an argument you will ever win. It is simply not possible. Give up now.

/thread.


Bet you this thread is going to go on several pages regardless of what you have to say :P

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Velicitia
XS Tech
#15 - 2012-02-13 14:12:13 UTC
Griptus wrote:
Manuel Diaz wrote:

Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.

Griptus wrote:

...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.


1. get friends
2. get them to help guard a system.
3. go into said system and do whatever.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2012-02-13 14:17:09 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Twisted Trucker wrote:
Uhmm, NO!


NEXT!


fixt, because I like doing this more rather than trying to seriously respond to you people anymore.
You actually expected a serious response to this idea?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-13 14:36:40 UTC
Botting is practically legal already. CCP only punish the bots that people complain about, and even then they handle it on a three strikes system with temporary bans.

CCP doesn't want to hunt and ban botters because they pay a subscritpion either directly or by consuming PLEX. As long as you only use them to pay for your horribly overpowered supercapital and don't RMT the isk, they really don't care.
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#18 - 2012-02-13 15:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
Griptus wrote:
Manuel Diaz wrote:

Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.

Griptus wrote:

...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.


Then don't play EVE. There are games with virtually no penalty when you die like... almost any other MMO on the market.
But I understand why you want bots, mining can be tolerated only for so long

And it takes about 15-30 minutes - depending on your fleet - to earn 30M which is a cost of a battlecruiser in incursions, with virtually zero risk.

@OP

No... if you don't wanna play the game well don't play, but bots wont play the game for you.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#19 - 2012-02-13 15:29:36 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
I feel like I'm looking at an RL "Legalize Marij-uana" argument. You have the guy who comes in saying "Legalize it!" and announcing all of the benefits it has and pointing out the lack of real detriments. Then you have all the anti-legalization people who come in repeating what they read online, regardless of any real factual evidence to back it up, and get huffy at the idea of someone actually wanting it to be legalized. Then the topic moves on and it is still illegal.

Keep fighting, bro! Down with the system!

I feel CCP should legalize Marij-uana inside the game, at least.

Compared to the dangerous side effects from drinking Quafe, weed is completely safe.

FIX THIS!
Cool

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-02-13 15:45:56 UTC
If you want to quote yourself, read on...

Manuel Diaz wrote:

Or you could, you know, move out of high sec.


Griptus wrote:

...and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe.


Aqriue wrote:
Get the f*ck out of a hulk. Problem solved.

No mining vessel, no need to mine, run missions, at least those ship skills are useful in other endevours of EVE. Worst ******* ship in the game, all barges/exhumers should be removed...whoever the **** wants to tie themselves down like a goat to an asteroid belt and just die for someone else's entertainment is a moron.
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