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Is it Worth it to get a T3 Cruiser?
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Neoexecutor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-13 02:12:17 UTC
From what i have read on these forums previously written by people with good knowledge on Loki, it seems that Loki excels in certain areas of pvp such as extremely fast locking + tackling speeds that can be achieved on that hull and also it's rather unique ability to get 30+km range webs that are very important in certain pvp engagements.
My own experience with Loki is PvE only. It's a decent ship that can run lvl 4s but not anywhere close to Vargur in efficiency. Best usage i found for my pve Loki was scanning/site clearing ship all-in-one.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#22 - 2012-02-13 03:07:01 UTC
If you really were 'disgustingly rich' then you'd already have at least two or three T3 cruisers gathering dust in some hangar.

At best, you could be described as above the plebs.

Nyan
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-02-13 03:37:48 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Did CCP remove the SP loss when you loose a T3? I can think of better things to PvP in than a ship that is going to lobotimize you if you get ganked.


Eject when it becomes apparent that you're going down and you won't lose SP.

Alternatively, man up and accept that 4 days of training time (at most) isn't really worth a big fuss.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-13 04:04:52 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Thanks for the input! :D

What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


The Proteus is an absolutely beautiful boat for highsec and wormhole warfare. These are my experiences of it - I can see no reason why it would not excel in lowsec as well, except maybe for becoming helpless when stranded off gates and unable to hit anything. The buffer it sports is rivalled only by the Damnation in subcap warfare, but the damnation's lack of DPS makes it a lesser ship when fighting the Proteus. This is from the experience of fighting a damnation - My 1000DPS vs. his 100 DPS. Despite the fact I had 1/3rd the buffer he did, he was melting 10x faster than me. In the end, he called RR and I docked.

This is another thing - undocks are the main preserve of the proteus. If you like highsec war, great. In nullsec, any T3 is useless, and I'm sure that in low the others excel. However, I will fight the proteus' corner all the same.


Will add that I have a cloaky Proteus with 650DPS and a 120K tank. You'll not find another cloaky T3 with both that DPS and tank.

Don't ban me, bro!
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#25 - 2012-02-13 05:16:32 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
In nullsec, any T3 is useless


RollLol
Gnidex
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#26 - 2012-02-13 10:56:38 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


If you want to venture into lowsec/null go with the proteus or loki since they both can do some nice dps even with the covert ops subsystem (especially the proteus). A tengu is a fine choice aswell, but be sure to avoid the legion since it's only good for shiny incursion fleets. Hands down it's covert ops subsystem isn't up to par (cap use bonus lulz) and it could really use another low or mid slot.

In short, the legion is a vastly overpriced zealot with some more tank.
Tore Vest
#27 - 2012-02-13 11:08:07 UTC
Ask AAA about tengus..
They love that thing....
and hardly loose any of them.... Bear

No troll.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-02-13 11:10:12 UTC
For whatever you do a T3 cruiser is always worth the investment.

Which T3 cruiser you invest in is largely based on what you hope to do with it as there are so many ways to use each one.

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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#29 - 2012-02-13 11:17:20 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Thanks for the input! :D

What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere



Legion is a great PVE ship, for incursions and stuff.

for PVP I would not use a t3 ship at all.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-02-13 11:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Ai Shun wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


I have no idea. But after asking in New Player Help about T3 cruisers and the like I ended up with one Legion in my asset list with subsystems that I have no intention to use and that I cannot and will not fly. I'm willing to sell it cheaply if anyone is after one of those Sad

Legion is nice as an expensive, big Zealot - use it as anything else and it disappoints.

especially the cap bonus on the covert subsystem (as opposed to a damage bonus) is a huge problem for the legion.

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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#31 - 2012-02-13 12:08:27 UTC
Legion's are awesome for wormholes, same with Proteus. They can both fit for high resists and large buffer to be kept alive by logistics and can be very useful to a fleet. Proteus just by putting out immense dps for its mass, and the Legion has 2 nice options for it too:
HAM + bonused neuts - pulls out decent dps with choice of damage type, great passive resist profile and pretty fast and mobile for an armour tanker. Alternatively fit with the tactical targetting sub and lasers and melt frigates ;)

For what the OP wants though, I'd run with something cheaper due to the joyful blob nature of lowsec half the time :p
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2012-02-13 12:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Jas Dor wrote:
Did CCP remove the SP loss when you loose a T3? I can think of better things to PvP in than a ship that is going to lobotimize you if you get ganked.



The WORST outcome is only losing one of the Level 5's which is only a 3 1/2 day train. So the f*** what ? You think THAT's painful or something ?? Sheesh............

If it were a Rank 8 Level 5 and a MONTH to train that would be another story, but I mean really...........................

Honestly CCP should up the Rank of all 5 Subsystem skills to at least an 8 - 12 day Level 5. Would cut down at least a bit on the abusive useless uses to which these ships are forced to perform by idiots.

These ships are WAY too easy to get into for what they are.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-13 13:36:56 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:



The WORST outcome is only losing one of the Level 5's which is only a 3 1/2 day train. So the f*** what ? You think THAT's painful or something ?? Sheesh............

If it were a Rank 8 Level 5 and a MONTH to train that would be another story, but I mean really...........................

Honestly CCP should up the Rank of all 5 Subsystem skills to at least an 8 - 12 day Level 5. Would cut down at least a bit on the abusive useless uses to which these ships are forced to perform by idiots.

These ships are WAY too easy to get into for what they are.


But then what would happen to the market of selling 4mil SP toons for 3x their value due to the fact they have the basic tengu skills? :OOO

Dodixie > Hek
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#34 - 2012-02-14 00:48:12 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
For whatever you do a T3 cruiser is always worth the investment.

Which T3 cruiser you invest in is largely based on what you hope to do with it as there are so many ways to use each one.



Not true. For most roles, they are ISK inefficient. In a few, they are optimal.
Selinate
#35 - 2012-02-14 02:08:54 UTC
Legion is pretty good with a very specific set of subsystems.

Outside of those subsystems it's ****.
SpaceSquirrels
#36 - 2012-02-14 03:54:07 UTC
No they spread lies... Just jump in a carrier and dread alt pair....and one ceptor.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-02-14 03:59:48 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Ohai

Being disgustingly rich and having nothing else to work towards, would you recommend getting a Loki for PvP? Possibly a Tengu as well, but I was leaning towards a Loki.

Is it any good? Worth it over BS'? etc

I love the allure of getting the most advanced things in the game, barring Titans and supercapital ships



You're clearly not disgustingly rich. I buy ships I can't even fly for fun, and I wouldn't consider myself disgustingly rich.

If you were disgustingly rich, you post would read I bought 3 faction-fitted lokis, can I pvp in them?
Ai Shun
#38 - 2012-02-14 04:25:30 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


I have no idea. But after asking in New Player Help about T3 cruisers and the like I ended up with one Legion in my asset list with subsystems that I have no intention to use and that I cannot and will not fly. I'm willing to sell it cheaply if anyone is after one of those Sad

Legion is nice as an expensive, big Zealot - use it as anything else and it disappoints.

especially the cap bonus on the covert subsystem (as opposed to a damage bonus) is a huge problem for the legion.


Yes, there was a contract in Jita for a very low price for a fitted Legion. Being a total ignoramus around T3 cruisers, I checked the price of the sub-systems and the hull; which was a good 500m ISK above the price on the contract. I asked in New Player Help if you could remove the sub-systems and re-use them; the answer was yes. (Presumably you can with skills? I don't know)

But I purchased it with the intent to break it down into components and sell it. Needless to say, I couldn't and had put half that trade accounts' net worth into the purchase. Said fuckit, dropped it back in a contract for a couple of hundred million ISK more and logged in 10 minutes ago to find it sold after almost 10 days.

Le-phew.
Selinate
#39 - 2012-02-14 05:24:51 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Paragon Renegade wrote:
What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


I have no idea. But after asking in New Player Help about T3 cruisers and the like I ended up with one Legion in my asset list with subsystems that I have no intention to use and that I cannot and will not fly. I'm willing to sell it cheaply if anyone is after one of those Sad

Legion is nice as an expensive, big Zealot - use it as anything else and it disappoints.

especially the cap bonus on the covert subsystem (as opposed to a damage bonus) is a huge problem for the legion.


Yes, there was a contract in Jita for a very low price for a fitted Legion. Being a total ignoramus around T3 cruisers, I checked the price of the sub-systems and the hull; which was a good 500m ISK above the price on the contract. I asked in New Player Help if you could remove the sub-systems and re-use them; the answer was yes. (Presumably you can with skills? I don't know)

But I purchased it with the intent to break it down into components and sell it. Needless to say, I couldn't and had put half that trade accounts' net worth into the purchase. Said fuckit, dropped it back in a contract for a couple of hundred million ISK more and logged in 10 minutes ago to find it sold after almost 10 days.

Le-phew.


It was probably because you got a legion with the **** subsystems fit like I was talking about earlier. The legion is only really good with a certain set of them. Outside of that set of subsystems, demand is next to nil since they're really not good at all...
Ai Shun
#40 - 2012-02-14 08:26:15 UTC
Selinate wrote:
It was probably because you got a legion with the **** subsystems fit like I was talking about earlier. The legion is only really good with a certain set of them. Outside of that set of subsystems, demand is next to nil since they're really not good at all...


I'm guessing it wasn't all too bad as I made a 200m ISK profit off it (Less the taxes). Of course, I was hoping for a 700m one; but still!
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