Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It all comes down to the fact that you have to draw the line somewhere and 24h is just as good a spot as any.

if you you are playing the game already then you should be available to keep the qeue filled lol.

You will also find in time that if for unforeseen reasons you miss a few hours here and there....its not end of the world. Skills are a pretty number on a sheet. If you missed a skill qeue fill 2 weeks ago that has your frigate 5 done 2 days laters than evemon planned...man if you can't fly a rfiter worth a damn, frigate 5 ain't fixing that. Nor is AF, jsut be more expensive blowups now 2 days later as well. So like you said...focus on playing the game. Do more for you than sweating how fast those sp's come in or if they are coming consistently.

I have messed up my training qeue's quite a few times, missed some time. Life does go on.

It makes no sense at all, as clearly shown by Velicitia.

I was going to say I'm surprised you even suggested it, but then realised I'm not.

There are no need for changes.

You cannot disregard balance, because some people can't run a bath.

This assumption of balance is based purely on a reference from the introduction of the queue. It points out they have no idea what would happen once they implemented it, so they were cautious on what they put in.

It has nothing to do with CCP's current view on balance. if anything, the queue is simply not a high enough problem for them to correct without popular demand driving it.

Works as intended. I love this line, so I avoided poking at it before. It really makes me laugh.

Ok, fast list of things working as intended, (this is by no means complete):

• Sticks of wood.
• Rocks.
• A stop sign outside my office.
• A 1953 Ford pickup truck.
• A 14mm box wrench.
• Gravity.
• The toilet of a specific home in Ohio.
• The queue in EVE.

See, working as intended is the same as working as designed. It makes no claim to be relevant to a task or a need. It makes no claim that it is not obsolete for a task or need either.
It simply means it behaves in a manner consistent with it's design.

Now, there are many who cross reference DESIGN with HOPE, and popular usage is to blame for some of this. When someone says a device was designed to fix a problem, what they are actually saying the design was inspired by someone's idea of what they hoped would fix a problem.

Once someone can look at the current design, and see how it has been working, they can then design how it can be improved. In salute to previous logic, my idea is cautious, and only advances it a small step.

Setting the queue is not what people are paying to do, let's stop pretending that somehow it is.

Actually, the proprietors of the game haven't expressed an opinion on whether the queue is working as originally intended since it was released.

I haven't seen a dev post on a skill queue thread of any sort in ages.

So any assumption about what they think of the current state of affairs is purely that: an assumption.

They might be happy, they might be looking for likely changes.

Ah, you claim it never happened. Your source must be woefully lacking here, assuming it is accurate otherwise.

I was there, and I was one of the guys doing it.
In our corp at the time, it was seen commonly occurring in fact.
It was the fastest way we knew to get skills plugged in. We trained all the short skills at once, and tried to queue up something that was as long as possible for overnight.
Most of us were not actively playing at these times, we did not even want to be online for the most part, but we knew when we did play next, we really wanted those skills.
Put on a movie, have the PC in the corner of your view to notice the skill completed with the voiceover. Pop next skill on, wash rinse repeat.
It was simply the cost of getting skills at the time, given the tools we had available.

OH, and it was also considered "Working as intended".


You presume to speak for the majority of the players, first of all, which is absurd. At best, you can only speak for the players you have consulted on this topic. It is unlikely to be a significant number, much less represent a majority of players.

Do a majority of players accept it? Yes, the ones who could not stand it have unsubbed already, although it was probably only one of a list of reasons, statistically speaking.

I would love to see an in-game poll, which asked if they thought the queue was perfectly balanced, or would they like to see my idea. I do not ever expect to see such a poll, as I doubt CCP has even read this thread, but I am confidant your expectations would be unmet.

In fact, the only fiction I have seen lately is your repeated assertions of balanced, and CCP wants this, in the total absence of supporting facts. The best you seem able to do, is point to the way it currently exists as some kind of proof.
I would like you to give something more than hearsay to support your position.

If you can do that, how did you put it...

You're again claiming I said something I didn't. I said it was at best conjecture, but more like fiction. People have always and will always, log in and go AFK. What I found entertaining, was your link to AFK server clutter and responsiveness of players and inferred this as a reason they created the queue. It may have had some facts, but taken as a whole it was nonsense and quite frankly irrelevant.

Oh indeed it was at the time, but again you're here without the full facts. (shocking, I know)

They said back then that they wouldn't give us a queue, whilst we had ghost training. When that was removed, calls for a queue gathered a pace. They took some time and came out with the balanced, 24 hour skill queue.



As far as CCP is concerned, it boils down to this.
They arrived at balance, when they released it. The clue in the fact that they are happy with it, is down to the fact that not since that point, have I seen them say otherwise or mentioned a change to it. If you can point me to where they have, then do so. As and until this happens, I'll conclude that CCP do in fact like the queue and think it is balanced.

I see you've decide to skip over your list comparison, so I'll leave it there.

They have, as far as I know, already mentioned this as a possibility. Believe it or not, if done in a balanced/limited way, I have no issue with this.