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Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#1 - 2012-02-11 17:23:50 UTC
Hello, Im new to wh space and am currently looking to scan down Ladar sites.

I've had a few problems as best signals I get are around 18-20% and then disappear when I try narrowing them.

Yes Im in a Helios, with scan rigs, and sister core probes. My Scanning skills arent the best, specific ones at lvl 3.

But surely it matters not so much, or maybe it does for ladars?

Let me in on what I should do please, thanks.
Malkev
Tribal Liberation Force
#2 - 2012-02-11 17:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Malkev
Check your filters.

CCP decided to add a completely useless filter system with the deployment of Crucible which defaults to not having any signatures enabled. Once you get the result strength high enough to know what the sig is anyways, it disappears.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Probing#The_Scan_Result_Filter

That's outdated, but it shows you how to get to the filter selection screen. I personally have a filter for just signatures, a filter for just anomalies, and a filter for just ships.
Goe Rilla
Quantum Force Inc.
DammFam
#3 - 2012-02-11 17:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Goe Rilla
I know about filters, and Im using it for ladar sites only atm.

My problem was signal strength, like I said, none of the sites go beyond 20% strength, no matter how hard i try to narrow in on them. They just vanish.

So maybe it's my current skill lvl, or Im doing it wrong somehow. My scanning fit is fine.
Malkev
Tribal Liberation Force
#4 - 2012-02-11 18:05:33 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
I know about filters, and Im using it for ladar sites only atm.

What happens when you have all the sigs selected in the filter settings, not just ladars? Sounds like what you're trying to probe isn't a ladar site.

Sigs don't just disappear with poor skills, there should still be a result of some sort, you just won't be able to get it to 100%.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-02-11 18:12:18 UTC
What you are describing ... getting signal to around 20% strength and then disappearing ... sounds very much like the filter setting issue that malkev points out.

What do you have ticked in the cosmic signature section of your scanner filter editor?

If it's not the filter settings, and you're a low-skill scanner it may be a combination of your technique and low scanner probe strength (equipment / skillbook related). Many of the w-space ladar sites are quite 'small' and fairly hard to scan .... but if you can scan down the radar and mag sites in your system you should have no trouble with the ladars.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
infra52x
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-11 18:41:40 UTC
Goe Rilla wrote:
I know about filters, and Im using it for ladar sites only atm.

My problem was signal strength, like I said, none of the sites go beyond 20% strength, no matter how hard i try to narrow in on them. They just vanish.

So maybe it's my current skill lvl, or Im doing it wrong somehow. My scanning fit is fine.




Its your filters, and also, how do you know what sites are vanishing when you never get your signal strength past 20%? Sounds like you just haven't found any ladar sites yet.
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-11 21:42:38 UTC
I'm experiencing the same thing with scanning some sites to around 20% and they just disappear. I too am in a Helios with sister probes and skills all at level 3 except Astrometrics at level 4. I can regain the sites by increasing my scanning range but as soon I try to narrow done more they disappear again. Of course, at that strength I don't know yet what type of site it is. I'll try adjusting my filters to see if this corrects the problem.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-02-11 22:16:32 UTC
OK. I do remember similar happening when I had low scan skills (bookskills). I would think I was homing o=in on a site, would halve the range and move the probes, and then the site was no longer there.
I assumed it was just a combination of variation in sig location and my scan strength.

options are probably:
1. use more probes if you can;
2. more careful probe placement. experiment between putting your robes closer to the red-dot and putting then with the red-dot at half their range. try using a 3-dimensional pattern if yours has been planar so far.
3. rigs, implants, and other gear to increase probe strength while you train up the skills.

Good luck. stick with it, it does get easier.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Dirael Papier
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#9 - 2012-02-12 16:52:08 UTC
Malkev wrote:
I personally have a filter for just signatures, a filter for just anomalies, and a filter for just ships.

Set up your filters like that. Don't bother making a filter for a specific signature type.

What it sounds like is happening to you, is that you've set up a filter to show Ladar sites only.

The issue is that your initial scans (at say 32AU, 16AU, 8AU, etc) don't offer info on what type a signature is, just that the signature exists in a general location. So even if you have a Ladar only filter, you'd still be picking up all of the other signature types in their low strength "anonymous" state (where it doesn't tell you signature type yet. Basically when it's just a red dot instead of a yellow triangle.)

Then when you get to the point where it tells you signature type (yellow triangle) the filter finally kicks in and goes "Oh hey, not a Ladar! *poof gone*." So basically, the filter as it is now kinda sucks and can't handle specific things very well.


TL;DR
Set up your filters like Malkev suggests and don't use filters for specific signature types like Ladar only.
Genevieve Darkfury
Cloak and Daggers
The Initiative.
#10 - 2012-02-14 06:01:32 UTC
If it ISN'T your filters (if you have all selected) make sure you're not trying to tighten your scan range before you get a solid hit.

I.E. If you have a hit under 25% and then you try to stack a bunch of .5 au probes on it, you're just as likely to watch it disappear because your scan hasn't accounted for scan deviation properly.

I run 7 probes:
4x 8au probes in either pyramid or square formation, these are static.
3x .25au-4au probes; I start these at 4 au and work my way down as I get progressively more solid hits; 25% at 4 au, maybe 50% at 2 au, and so on until I think the scan deviation has been accounted for.
stup idity
#11 - 2012-02-14 11:15:22 UTC
In case the problem lies with your scanning and not your filtering:
Learn "Astrometric Pinpointing" to 3 - without I wouldn't even bother trying to scan something down.

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