Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have. Many times.

Then don't stockpile. Spend the points on a skill before you have enough to complete it or train it directly. If you know what you want to train, why are you wasting your time with a generic skill? The advantage of flexible skill points that mean you don't need to decide now is offset by the fact that if you don't decide now, you might not get to decide at all. It gets into the state where, in a blind panic upon losing a ship, you may be forced to dump your loose SP in to the first skill you can click on, but it adds RISK.


The point of training one attribute at a time is to reduce complexity in the idea. With 5 generic skills, you can pop one in your queue with the current setup and the points go directly to a bank. With a mixable system you either need 20 skills or a new gui system to allow you to set primary and secondary attributes which may or may not work with the queue. My modification to your idea is as an addition to the current system, not a replacement.


I agree on later reading, that having a reduced training speed for having too many is too much of a penalty and would like to retract the idea.

Make it use the lowest attribute only, and then you have a decent idea.

I like the way the OP is "liking" every post in this thread to give the impression that his awful thread is popular. Unfortunately, the disguise rather falls apart upon opening the thread...

A long time ago, someone at CCP decided that skill points should be subject to loss when a character dies. I think it was a bad idea because it discourages combat. But they at least had the good sense to give us clones so we have a way of saving our skill points and to limit the loss otherwise.

To be consistent with the original intent of the clone system, unallocated skill points shouldn't be subject to loss if they can't be saved by clones. And if clones are ever removed from the game, which is way beyond the scope of my proposal, then none of our skills points should be subject to loss. I'd prefer it that way because it encourages combat.

It's bad enough that 80% of players never leave high sec. Your idea would not only discourage combat further, it would force everyone to stay docked. You and your friends could simply camp the stations and suicide gank anyone who comes out, preventing them from progressing. That would effectively end the game for everyone, including CCP.

I think I ranted too much about the skill queue in my OP.

The fundamental problem is that all skill training eventually ends thereby creating the potential for loss of skill points. The problem can never be properly addressed by tweaking the skill queue, even if it were extended indefinitely.

This isn't a 'problem' though, it's a feature. There's always a potential for missed skill points (not lost, because you never had them to begin with). Whenever you're not training skills, you're getting less SP than you could have, but you're also getting less SP than you could have if you are using anything other than a fully speced skill map with +5s in the relevant attributes.

Part of the core of Eve is the decisions behind the skills you train and how you train them. Do I train X skill now with a good mapping or do I train Y because I need it more, despite having a bad attribute map? (something I made a decision about just this week personally). Do I use a set of +5s for maximum training or do I use +3/4s because they're cheaper and I can afford to replace them? Do I log in now to add another skill to the queue or do I blow it off because I don't feel like it?

Actions have consequences in Eve, this is by design.

Your idea makes the queue obsolete and removes any balance in that regard.

The fundamental problem is, your idea removes consequences and the difficult decisions we have to make now.
The fact that you cannot address that point to any degree, speaks volumes.

Which means it's a better idea. Thank you.


Who does it favor, or disfavor?


It doesn't matter when you make your skill training decisions, they always have consequences.

You've made these logically erroneous arguments many times only to reject my superior wisdom and guidance. Give yourself all the time you need, it should sink in eventually.

Losing SP is not a feature, it's a flaw. Missing something is the same as losing it. You miss/lose what you would otherwise have. When you're not training a skill, you're getting zero SP, which is infinitely less than even 1 SP.


Of course it changes the factors that you base you decisions on, that's unavoidable. But it doesn't eliminate the need to make decisions, if that's your impression.