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How did becoming rich change the game for you?
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Arcosian
Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding
#21 - 2012-02-09 20:10:51 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Getting rich didn't really change the game too much for me as my time profile and family committments meant I couldn't really use the isk for anything other than making more isk. So I didn't have the issue of feeling that challenges had gone as far as getting into ships and losing stuff was concerned. I initially had my eye on hitting 100bil as a target that would satisfy me but I got to that level after six months or so in the game and revised my target up to a trillion. However, it slowly dawned on me that this was going to be more of an endurance sport than fun. I wasn't earning the isk for any reason than as 'points' representing my score in eve and this rapidly loses meaning if the challenges to get those points cease to be fun. The critical point for me came not with an amount of money but with a way of making money.

When I realised that I could make more than 3bil a day, day in day out for the rest of my time in eve without having to put any more thought into it, the challenge was gone. I think I pretty much maxed out possible isk/hour returns so doing anything different to make isk would have been a step down and there didn't appear to be any further steps up. Of course, there is the kinetic pleasure of finding different ways to make isk in different configurations of time, effort, capital invested and such like but its all a bit academic when you can already have as much of it as you want and far more than you could enjoyably spend. The challenge, for me, has gone and whilst there is fun to be had in investigations I don't find the same sense of satisfaction. And I'm certainly never going to punish myself by mindlessly grinding the same perfect business plan for months at a time to get isk I don't need. The remaining satisfying things in the game are those that come from human interaction, helping other people out and seeing them flourish.

Six months to 100bil!!! Shocked Here I thought I was doing good at 15bil teach me master.
OmegaMahn
Guild of Independent Pilots
DammFam
#22 - 2012-02-09 21:17:15 UTC
De Guillaume wrote:
i have 70b in wallet and if if u include assets that will be over 100b. and if u then add the vale of my 131m sp toon which say a conservative figure of 60b. thats come to 160b and i barley play the game now. for me its got boring, I can now easily make another 100b in less time and I can't be bothered. I let new opportunity go as isk becomes less important.

i think the ability to make isk a lot faster kinda killed the game as it feels you won it. you can buy anything and loose anything. i gave away 10b last week. i made 15b since then back. but i think isk. effects different people in different ways.

The best time i have ever had was the first year of playing eve. then it went down hill.


my advise is don;t make to much isk. stay between 5-15b and you will enjoy the game more Big smile
yep I am wining about having to much isk, aint that a *****


Really ? A 131M sp toon ? in less than two years - if true then you bought your toon, and if you bought your 131m sp toon then you bought your other riches as well - so you never were NOT rich. Which (IMO) makes your "advice" seem a lot less meaningful - and if truely your advice is to have less ISK , by all means, please feel free to send some of you surplus to me.

I think that having 3 -5 billion in your wallet allows you to take more chances and do more things that you could not do when you did not have the surplus ISK. If I loose a 200m isk ship now sure itsa bummer but not as big a bummer as when I only had 200m isk
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-02-09 21:27:11 UTC
I have fun manipulating regional markets. It has added fun to the game for me.

Also, being able to purchase just about any ship and modules I want at a moment's notice is very handy. The greatest part, I earned it all. I did not spend any real $ aside from my subscription.
Skywalker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-02-09 22:19:45 UTC
After reaching 1000'nd mark i didn't stop looking forward.
Same procedure all over.


*talks about corpses.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#25 - 2012-02-09 23:23:30 UTC
Still on the build wealth path. Started playing EVE August of 2011... I've found trading toons is much more profitable than any other part of the game. I could grind and make a billion a week or so trading, but didn't like the price margin .01 cent war at all.... So picked up trading characters about 2 months ago and have jumped from 6 billion account to just over 80b in toon inventory and assets in that time. I use plex to do resubs and handle 10 accounts... the trade takes care of the fees...

Fun Factor ... The Missions are fun and it's great trying out new ships with the toons I buy before I sell them again. Have not played with PVP much since it's not much fun solo (getting owned by gangs)... The game has so many things you can do, I think I'll be in to it for a few more years.


PS... buy my toons..
Gregory Brunswick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-10 03:31:17 UTC
Would you have ever had a toon named elesaar?
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#27 - 2012-02-10 06:50:24 UTC
When I was genuinely poor I had a few modules and some ships and every time I switched ships I stripped it and used the modules to fit the other one. I used to wish I could afford many modules to save myself refitting all the time. Now I buy scores of ships at a whim and fit them with all sorts of fancy modules, and hardly ever fly them.

I've become more immune to losses. I was always pretty philosophical about losses and now it somehow matters even less. I lost a very expensive faction fitted tengu in the background while I was chatting with someone and didn't even raise an eyebrow, whereas before I was determined to learn a lesson from every loss.

My trading style has changed- spend much less time on it.

I've become more interested in forums/blogs/general direction Eve's taking than in playing the game.

Having said all that, I still love the game and will continue to play, and am taking (slow) steps to ensure long term financial security.

Any colour you like.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-02-10 07:42:47 UTC
I am poor (although I have more than 5b ISK in assets) - I usually have 100-300m ISK in my wallet and no investments to speak of.

My primary sources of income are mission running, ratting and occasionally incursions (which i hate with a passion).

How does being poor change the game for me?

I often have to sell some of my assets to finance something new - only to re-buy them a few weeks later. Especially when faction/deadspace items are involved this results in pretty huge losses over time.

If I were rich I suppose I wouldn't have to cannibalize my assets for new acquisitions (to buy a character I had to sell literally everything except for a mission ship) resulting in much faster growth of my wealth.

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Prinzessin Leia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-02-10 08:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Prinzessin Leia
So I think I´m rich, cause i have fun playing the game.

I only have around 1.3bil at all in game (Wallet/Assets) but i have FUN playing the game.

Every month i buy a plex to get my account running (only 1), and thats roughly all i have to spend
ingame. I own a missioning Maelstrom, a Noctis and a Basilisk for doing incursions with some
ingame buddy´s.
All my commodities (Munition and Cap Booster charges) i build on my own by refining my loot.


So yes I´m the richest dude in EVE just by having fun :)
(Although i would like to have a Machariel cause it looks so good)
Zeds Shadow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-02-10 13:30:40 UTC
I have only just returned to the game after a hiatus of just over a year and a half, I wanna be rich but I just find that things distrct me too much, ill be all 'ooo that ship/skill/method of playing' looks awesome, and then go and waste isk in trying it.

Although this builds experience and was really good fun, I am still stuck with 35mil in my wallet and shite scattered all over the place. I got in my dramiel and flew all over the place last night to sell all the crap, i now still only have 300mil.

Very very interested in trading to make money, I have a freighter alt which is just about trained up on the orca. he has a providence and I was tempted to sell that (buy orders around 977mil) for capital towards some money making trades, but the whole aspect of it is daunting, I cant afford to lose 1.2bill on trades, but I dont think starting with less than 1bil is sensible either...

any advice?
Kara Roideater
#31 - 2012-02-10 15:27:18 UTC
Arcosian wrote:
Six months to 100bil!!! Shocked Here I thought I was doing good at 15bil teach me master.


Step 1 - Get job that allows you to work from home (or lose current job and don't replace, either is good).

Step 2 - Get a solid grip on your relationship with your wife or girlfriend. Then, using that solid grip, grasp firmly by the scruff of the neck and eject relationship through window. Or I suppose you could get a girl who doesn't think that all computer games were hatched by Satan himself and exist only to vex her. Either way, you will now be ready to begin.

Step 3 - Spend a week analysing your options for making isk. Crunch numbers. Crunch more numbers. Work out production margins on everything you can. Explore eve central to find possible trade routes. Work your way through as many market items in Jita as you can noting which have good margins, good volumes or, preferably, both.

Step 4 - Select the best isk making options that will fit in the time available in your new work- and love-free life, slotting them into your schedule from the most profitable on down.

Step 5 - Have a shower. It's been a week for gods sake!

Step 6 - Take the most profitable option available to you and work it relentlessly, no matter how tedious it is. See how much time it takes up before returns diminish below the level of the next best thing.

Step 7 - Add in the next best thing and so on and so forth.

Step 8 - As your isk starts rolling in learn to love it. Count your NAV, stroke it, tickle it under the chin. It won't love you back but, then, nor will anyone else at this point and a one-way relationship is better than nothing.

Step 9 - Borrow money to accelerate your growth.

Step 10 - As the seasons turn the leaves outside from one stage to the next, look up from time to time to reflect on the futility of your keyboard bound existence. But by no means give up. That's just your socialisation speaking. That's just what other 'people' would say with their 'reasons' and 'choices' and their fancy 'communities'. You have no choice. You are strong, strong enough to endure the cold hard loneliness of eve, where the community is so sharp you could easily slit your wrists on it.

Step 11 - As your NAV turns over the 100bil mark, congratulate yourself! For you have achieved ... something?
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#32 - 2012-02-10 16:22:58 UTC
It means I don't have to steal so much from corp anymore, so less risk they find me out and bigger chance I can do a big heist in the future.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#33 - 2012-02-10 17:29:09 UTC
It meant that I could effectively buy you - yes you, OP - and turn you into my puppet, doing whatever bidding I wished...and I felt like creating this OP, so you happily obliged...nice... :D

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#34 - 2012-02-10 20:30:24 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Step 1 - Get job that allows you to work from home (or lose current job and don't replace, either is good).

Step 2 - Get a solid grip on your relationship with your wife or girlfriend. Then, using that solid grip, grasp firmly by the scruff of the neck and eject relationship through window. Or I suppose you could get a girl who doesn't think that all computer games were hatched by Satan himself and exist only to vex her. Either way, you will now be ready to begin.

Step 3 - Spend a week analysing your options for making isk. Crunch numbers. Crunch more numbers. Work out production margins on everything you can. Explore eve central to find possible trade routes. Work your way through as many market items in Jita as you can noting which have good margins, good volumes or, preferably, both.

Step 4 - Select the best isk making options that will fit in the time available in your new work- and love-free life, slotting them into your schedule from the most profitable on down.

Step 5 - Have a shower. It's been a week for gods sake!

Step 6 - Take the most profitable option available to you and work it relentlessly, no matter how tedious it is. See how much time it takes up before returns diminish below the level of the next best thing.

Step 7 - Add in the next best thing and so on and so forth.

Step 8 - As your isk starts rolling in learn to love it. Count your NAV, stroke it, tickle it under the chin. It won't love you back but, then, nor will anyone else at this point and a one-way relationship is better than nothing.

Step 9 - Borrow money to accelerate your growth.

Step 10 - As the seasons turn the leaves outside from one stage to the next, look up from time to time to reflect on the futility of your keyboard bound existence. But by no means give up. That's just your socialisation speaking. That's just what other 'people' would say with their 'reasons' and 'choices' and their fancy 'communities'. You have no choice. You are strong, strong enough to endure the cold hard loneliness of eve, where the community is so sharp you could easily slit your wrists on it.

Step 11 - As your NAV turns over the 100bil mark, congratulate yourself! For you have achieved ... something?

Bravo.
Hunng Ibruin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-02-10 21:41:06 UTC
I decided to take up trading and manufacturing with a loan on certain items that had a great profit margin and I could sell over 500 a day. So I fired up my 9 slots and blasted out a crap ton of this item (each netting 40%+ profit). For 3 weeks now I watched my initial loan of 100m grow to over 15 billion as I trade, manufacture and do some PI stuff and now.....the game isn't fun. I currently have 9billion in materials pumping out things that will gain me constant returns. I've learned how to make unlimited isk and the urge to get into the game and do something has declined quite significantlyCry Sure I don't have the 100billion but so what, I personally feel the challenge is gone and there isn't much to do but blow it .

Of course one highlight of this isk is being able to completely crash 4 markets in Jita and Amarr while scoring some nice profit off da bots who stupidly followed my moves.
Mantra Achura
Stammtisch
#36 - 2012-02-10 21:47:30 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
I don't think getting rich bores anyone. I think it's running out of new challenges and experiences that does that. This is more likely to happen to you if you have a narrow play style.


Pretty this in combination with the fact that high NAV figures grant less increase in a certain timeframe percentage wise.
Amy Elteam
No Bull Ships
#37 - 2012-02-10 22:20:54 UTC
I'm sitting here and EveHQ's asset manager is telling me I have over a 100billion in assets. I don't feel particularly rich. But I've pretty much stopped killing rats for income. I'll occasionally run complexes and stuff for the amusement I get from the 'fun' loot drops. But for time invested I have much more licrative ways to make money.
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
#38 - 2012-02-11 00:53:57 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Lots of good stuff!

Bravo.


I have to agree with all the above.

On a more personal note, once I achieved becoming "rich" I now no longer play EVE and just log in to change skills every so often. Once you learn the secrets to becoming a "billionaire" the drive to continue playing the game seems to decline. Sure you can always make more ISK, blow up more ships, lose more ships, buy the most expansive BPOs, ect... but the fun is gone.

OH NOES!!! I just lost a deadspace fitted alliance tournament ship that cost 30+ billion ISK. Well I can just make that back in a couple of weeks and act like nothing happened.

I have a feeling my views are shared with many others due to the large number of people that I never see online anymore even when I do manage to log onto EVE. The chat channels that used to have 40+ people now rarely have 10 people in them. Old friends I've worked with for the few years I've been in EVE have long since unsubbed and moved on. Even though EVE is "just a game", I still miss all the friends I have made along the way and I know that I will probably never see most of them again Sad.

Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#39 - 2012-02-11 02:02:41 UTC
I never became rich, i spent all my money in jita local.
Kara Roideater
#40 - 2012-02-11 09:58:08 UTC
Breaker77 wrote:
Bad Bobby wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Lots of good stuff!

Bravo.


I have to agree with all the above.

On a more personal note, once I achieved becoming "rich" I now no longer play EVE and just log in to change skills every so often. Once you learn the secrets to becoming a "billionaire" the drive to continue playing the game seems to decline. Sure you can always make more ISK, blow up more ships, lose more ships, buy the most expansive BPOs, ect... but the fun is gone.

OH NOES!!! I just lost a deadspace fitted alliance tournament ship that cost 30+ billion ISK. Well I can just make that back in a couple of weeks and act like nothing happened.

I have a feeling my views are shared with many others due to the large number of people that I never see online anymore even when I do manage to log onto EVE. The chat channels that used to have 40+ people now rarely have 10 people in them. Old friends I've worked with for the few years I've been in EVE have long since unsubbed and moved on. Even though EVE is "just a game", I still miss all the friends I have made along the way and I know that I will probably never see most of them again Sad.


Part of the problem is that there's not much of an endgame for the market/industry/finance part of the game, just more of the mid-game stuff spinning out endlessly. Partly this is due to a lack of consideration of how financial empires should work on CCP's part (i.e. abject failure to provide adequate POS facility usage at an alliance level; removal of a lot of the danger dynamics for trade and industry people through haulers that are too safe, POSes that are too defensible, warfare mechanics that can be evaded too easily). I would also tentatively say that the black/white aspect of the current trust dynamics have a far greater chilling impact on interaction between players in isk-related areas than they do in PvP based areas. There is not much of a system to game here. You cannot manage trust-based risk to a significant level in a cooperative business venture so you have to more or less trust everyone you cooperate with with everything that's in the pot for that venture. Some more finely grained options on this front would probably help things from stagnating at the level of only fully cooperating with a max of a handful of genuinely trusted individuals. What would be good would be some tools that would encourage people to interact more and risk less more frequently rather than having a basic all or nothing choice which will most often come down on the 'nothing' side to the detriment of the game.