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VOTE: Bounty Hunting for CSM 7

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Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-02-10 18:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Not standing as a Candidate, but would like to finally elect bounty hunting into the awareness of CCP. Too long has this redundant mechanic been joked about, it needs credability.

As such I would point the CSM candidates to this useful topic created by Malcanis: Bounty hunting - let's get this sorted.

The above I would like to use as a foundation to pose as an offical request to the candidates in seeking their view on the subject of effective player policing systems. It is in no way a prescriptive requirement to use Malcanis' work as a focul point if you have specific views you wish to express of course. (Had to clarify this point as one candidate out of the many took offence that it meant this).


In the interests of preference of FiS over WiS however I will "not" be pushing for a Boba Fett outfit in the Nex store.



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For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Or perhaps you are an industrialist with a specific focus in game not directly concerned with PvP skilling to be effective at your role and therefore ineffective to apply teeth in response to criminal activities?

Want to validate a potential Career path in ≡v≡ with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?

Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume as opposed to simply suprising soft industrial targets?

You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in ≡v≡ where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve, criminals included, to ensure the game evolves instead of being kept dumbed down?

Or simply want to make ≡v≡ less boring with adding more fun and challenging gameplay elements?

Would like to see CCP finally correct a long standing broken mechanic in the game (2003) which at best provides an exploit for the effected criminal party to profit further from and yet has been left in the game still?


CCP Design panel wrote:

"It's going to be awesome."

"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."

"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_pLi1J9YrkM#t=1199s







Candidates approached at least twice previous and yet to acknowledge or provide a comment (thus no longer actively persuing views):

Blackberry Bold
Dovinian
Greene Lee
Meissa Anunthiel
PsychoBitch
UAxDEATH

Candidates with no apparent specific view or taking a "neutral" stance.

Sollana
Tiger Would
Xenuria
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-02-10 18:38:17 UTC
A fine candidate if ever I saw one.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-02-11 09:44:30 UTC
No Boba Fett outfit? Cry

Seriously though, it's really important that we finally get a working bounty system into hi-sec. The absence of a viable player-driven "revenge" mechanism is a large part of what's driving the continual pressure to buff CONCORD, nerf pirates etc etc. So many of the things that are broken in hi-sec are broken at least partly because we don't have a bounty system.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Shazzam Vokanavom
#4 - 2012-02-14 19:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Shazzam Vokanavom
+ 1, be interesting to see if any candidate will go on record.

Of course in fairness might need to ask in their threads for convenience to the fact they have numerous interests and issues to address.

With the war mechnics being in the pipeline that might have crossover elements for these kind of agressive scenarios there may be NDA issues for any real details. But a stance to the subject would be useful for the voters.
Vae. Victis.
#5 - 2012-02-14 19:59:32 UTC
I heartily endorse this, and perhaps explore some tools to allow bounty hunters (with perhaps new appropriate skills) to gain more accurate and up to date intel on their potential targets.

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Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-15 20:59:18 UTC
Prometheus Exenthal wrote:
I want the Bounty Hunting system to actually work.
I like the fact that there are advertised bounties on people, but I would also like to see something like covert bounties.

Putting a hit on someone shouldn't necessarily be advertised around the world, and having contracts from anonymous sources would be pretty cool (imo). And when the time comes, it would be nice to be able to.. uh.. "claim your bounties" while walking in station.

With that said, CCP has already stated that they are designing a new crimewatch system, so I'm expecting bounties to be part of that overhaul.
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-02-15 21:15:15 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
I fully agree that current implementation hardly makes sense and needs to be changed.

That said, the stuff proposed looks a bit complicated and by definition bounty hunting is derivative of pirating. Pirating isn't that viable as a profession and thus bounty hunting won't be lucrative either.

I guess some are mistaken here by the digits shown as bounty - those were collected for years and should someone claim them, it's unlikely they'll recover any time soon. Someone needs to keep dumping isk into the system and I don't see anyone sane doing it for long Big smile

It's worth discussing, though. I might be missing something, too. Have never really thought much about bounty hunting, tbqh.
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-15 21:21:58 UTC
Draco Llasa wrote:
Yes i have seen this and i do like it.. I know from my existing CSM term that the time to start dressing things like this will be coming up soon, i can surely add this to my list of things to support and help address.

Another item that will be on my list to try and address some of the idiocies with the current Station Office rental system.
I ill update my main thread to add these items
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-02-15 21:40:47 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
The Bounty Hunting idea has been discussed by CSM with CCP (both Malcanis' post and an earlier one by Ogopogo Mu. We are in general agreement that a revision to the current mechanics along these sort of lines is a good thing, and have encouraged CCP to consider it.

Just another example of your CSM Tax ISK at work... Twisted
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-02-15 21:42:32 UTC
FYI, I wouldn't use Fon Revedhort as a source for your argument. Fan of David Duke and all, you know.
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-15 21:43:13 UTC
Two step wrote:
I spent a few hours discussing this exact proposal with CCP and other CSMs on Skype. I support it, and I urged CCP to implement similar mechanics.
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-15 22:28:55 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


I like spaceships, not half measures.

Remove it or rebuilt it.


ok ..... could you afford to be a bit more specific in relation to the topic?

It might be me, but I'm struggling to see any real connection with the material other than what appears to be a generic answer.


Like I said, I really like spaceships.

But if you insist, the system is fundamentally flawed because characters are not individuals. A lot of people, hell, most of them, have multiple characters. Hence, bounties are moot, they are essentially paid to the "target" as soon as they are set.

It is essentially impossible to prevent that. Hence, the system is a half-measure, and accomplishes nothing. I'd advocate for its removal, or being rebuilt from the ground up. How exactly you could attempt to fix the fundamental problem would be something to discuss, not decide alone.
Mintrolio
#13 - 2012-02-15 22:39:59 UTC
CONFRIMIGN LIK MAN OTHRE YOU NEFER TO ASKIGN MINTROLIO,.

ALSO THESE IST OK, I WIL POAST HEAR MINE THINKIGN AND SAFIGN YOU TRUBLE. ALSO MOR CSM NEED TO BE PROACTIGN LIK MINTROLIO.

BONTY HUNTIGN

HELL YES.
ALSO IST VER IGNOR PART OF GAME EXPRIENCE. ANY CHANG TO BONTY HUNTIGN NEEDIGN TO CONSIDRE OTHRE MECHANIC. MECHANIC LIKE SECRITY STATUS AND AGRESS AND OTHRES.

ALSO WOLD LIK TO SEA BONTY HUNTIGN BECOME USEFULL, MAENFULL AND A VALID WAYS TO SPENDIGN TIME IN EVE.

PEHAPS CHANGE TO GAME MECHANIC ELSEWHER BAS ON BONTY / SEC STS. SOMETHINGS LIKE UNABLE TO CLOAK IF BONTY PRESANT AND SEC STS < X. PERHAPS LOSE ABILITY OF SHIP/WEAPNS BASE ON BONTY / SEC STS.

ALSO ANY THINKIGN HEAR NEED TO CONSIDRE THET IT NEED NOT TO BE ABEL TO BE USE TO GRIEF UNECSARILY.

CONFRIMIGN IS MINE THINK BONTY HUNT IS NEED ATTNETIONS AS MUCH AS WAR DECS SYTEMS.

KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN.

PSS))) THESE JUS MINE INITSIAL THINKIGN ON SUBJECT, SO NEED TO FRIM UP AND GARNER SUPPROT AND IDEA FROM OTHRE INTREST PARTY LIKE YOU.
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-02-15 22:42:08 UTC
FYI, you can't cloak if faction police are chasing you.

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Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-02-15 22:42:42 UTC
Roc Wieler wrote:
Having played other games that had excellent and well thought out bounty systems (such as the recently deceased Star Wars Galaxies), and having started my life in EVE as a smuggler (another system that needs some love to go along with bounty hunting), I would definitely want to make sure that a system was implemented for this that could not be easily abused, held player interest over time, was a sufficient time sink, and stayed true to the vision and lore of EVE Online.
Mintrolio
#16 - 2012-02-15 22:45:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
FYI, you can't cloak if faction police are chasing you.


EXACT WHAT PROOF THAT THESE THIGN CAN BE ACHEAVE, JUST NEEDIGN SYSTEM TO WORK AND MAKIGN SURE IT NOT ABUSE BY GREAFERS.

ALSO NEED INTEGRATE TO OTHRE GAME MECH SYSTEM
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-02-15 22:45:52 UTC
Mintrolio wrote:
CONFRIMIGN LIK MAN OTHRE YOU NEFER TO ASKIGN MINTROLIO,


I did contact you, in this thread its the link associated in the official candidate list.
Mintrolio
#18 - 2012-02-15 22:48:28 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Mintrolio wrote:
CONFRIMIGN LIK MAN OTHRE YOU NEFER TO ASKIGN MINTROLIO,


I did contact you, in this thread its the link associated in the official candidate list.


IST GOOD NOW YOU HAFIGN MINE THINKIGN.

KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN!
#19 - 2012-02-15 22:49:48 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
...As such I would point the CSM candidates to this useful topic created by Malcanis: Bounty hunting - let's get this sorted. ....


That is too recent to be anything other than derivative work. However, I do agree that contract tied somehow to loss mails would be a better solution.

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Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-02-16 00:39:41 UTC
I strongly support this kind of fix, although it still has its flaws it is vastly more viable than the existing system which is so broken as to be non-functional.

However I believe that in an ideal world this is just one small step towards a hugely expanded opportunities for player driven law enforcement.

The opposite of a Pirate should not be Carebear. There is not enough scope for real anti-pirate playstyles at this time.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.

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