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Final Results for the Custom Ship Painting Survey
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#61 - 2012-02-09 17:23:23 UTC
I think we all know "something" is in the works on this.

At first blush, it looks like paint jobs in NPC corp standard color schemes, Alliance Logo's, possibly corp logo's will be allowed... but not fully customizable color schemes, personal insignia's or ship names.

My thoughts:

1: All customizations are specific to a single ship, and are destroyed when the ship is destroyed (the abilitly to save a template might be nice however).

2: The prices should be very reasonable, whether the currency is AURUM, ISK, LP or some mix of the above.

3: Player industry should be involved as much as possible in the creation process, whether that be creating BPC's or "manufacturing" the paint jobs.

4: NPC corps are noted for manufacturing certain ships. Those ships should have the option of coming in the corps standard color scheme.

5: Non-standard NPC corp paint jobs should be available through their own loyalty point stores including pirate corps and FW organizations.

6: As an alternative to the above some basic color/highlight tweaking should be available for AURUM (if still used) or ISK.

7: Alliance logos should be allowed if the alliance allows it at no charge.

8: Corp logos should be allowed if the corp allows it at no charge. (This also applies for members of NPC corps.)

9: Personal logos should not be allowed due to a variety of reasons related to lag, server load, and artistic guideline approval.

10: The name of the ship should always be displayed on the ship, but a better default name system needs to be considered.

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Mirajane Cromwell
#62 - 2012-02-09 17:29:59 UTC
Here's my prediction how ship paintjobs would be used by different types of players:


  • Miners would have logos that state: "Dont' Gank!", "Don't Shoot!", "AFK", "No talk", "Not a bot"
  • Gatecampers & AFK Cloakers would paint their ships to match the space background color (hard to see them)
  • PvPers would have their kill amount / killratio painted
  • Incursion runners would have texts like "TANK", "FC", "LOGI", "ARMOR" etc
  • High sec players would have logos like "Carebear", "PVE", "NO PVP"
  • Low sec pirates would have graffities and profanities
  • Alliance would paint all their ships with single color and put their logo on top to identify friends from foes faster
  • Veterans would have text logo "L33t sk1llz!"
  • Industrialists/Traders would have text "Accidentally undocked"
  • Roleplayers would have smileys, *hugs*, *Looking 4 Grl* etc or praises to Kuvakei in their paintjobs
  • Forum trolls would have the trollface painted on their ship


...and so on.. Roll
N3oXr2ii
the united
#63 - 2012-02-09 17:39:34 UTC
WOW awesome idea but would it cause lag ?

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Valei Khurelem
#64 - 2012-02-09 17:40:18 UTC
N3oXr2ii wrote:
WOW awesome idea but would it cause lag ?


Why should lag ever be a factor in making a game fun? Sorry but I just don't buy it.

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Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#65 - 2012-02-09 17:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
I'd really rather they didn't waste time on this.

It's another "investers first" type of thing like the monocles and what not.

Akin to the stupid crystaline steed thing in WoW, £20 for a make believe pony? Lavish.



do u know how much money blizzard made from that? Also this should be a new isk sink in the game and it should be a new feature for indy players somehow since they havent gotten love in awhile. Everyone know CCP hates miners.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#66 - 2012-02-09 17:58:24 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
I'd really rather they didn't waste time on this.

It's another "investers first" type of thing like the monocles and what not.

Akin to the stupid crystaline steed thing in WoW, £20 for a make believe pony? Lavish.



do u know how much money blizzard made from that? Also this should be a new isk sink in the game and it should be a new feature for indy players somehow since they havent gotten love in awhile. Everyone know CCP hates miners.


Apparently huge amounts of both in game money and real money are spent on the various types of camo available in WOT as well. Nobody seems to mind either.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#67 - 2012-02-09 18:04:39 UTC
N3oXr2ii wrote:
WOW awesome idea but would it cause lag ?

Not likely. All ships already use textures. This (OPs concept) is just a retexturing not a change of model.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#68 - 2012-02-09 18:53:44 UTC
The main issue is see is how to tell the client what the ships actually look like, presently this is all stored client side (dds and red files etc) but with custom paint jobs, I doubt this would be possible, and would therefore result in an increase in server traffic,as the game would have automatically create new dds and red files with each new texture that players make (if this is even possible) and broadcast them to everyone on grid.

Personally I think, if implemented at all, it would be limited to alliance/corp submissions at first, with an isk cost per submission and per ship painted, and with CCP introducing new faction skins for ships as and when the art team has time to make them, available through LP stores perhaps. this would only be a relatively small amount of new files and could simply be stored clieant side.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#69 - 2012-02-09 19:26:52 UTC
how about we only let the customizations show if looked at? just like gun models.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#70 - 2012-02-09 19:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
I haven't read much of this thread but devs please simply make the shaders allow for simple RGBA values to be passed along to cover the textures instead of whole new textures for each customization like the ishukone scorpion seems to imply.

The various styles like "digital camo" or "blood splat" can just be map textures

Less laggy and easier to implement.

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TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-02-09 19:42:00 UTC
Sweetest Kiss wrote:
Would be absolutely great, but I do hope all these customizable features will be VERY expansive, like 50Mil ISK per logo you upload and so forth.

Right now with the removal of most NPC sell orders there are just not enough ISK sinks left in Eve.


Yeah because having 20 $ virtual shirts works so much better in prodding the users to *use* feature. The sum for whatever customation has to be % tied to ship price, couple guys might pay 50 mils to get their t1 frig "pimped out" but the feature will not achieve large enough isk sink status unless people buy into it from start.

5% of ships insurance plant insurance payout sounds reasonable, that way to the person thinking "should I or should I not" the cost is neglible compared to insurance. If/When ship outlook customization comes out, it has to be system that says "you should totally paint your shuttle AND your pod!"

It's must be quite sad really, to know how many manhours went into making new character creator, WiS and to get it shot down and then being berated for not spending all those manhours to develop paintshop for ships instead. Then again nice for it to go this way, otherwise we would have 50$ space monocles for our ships...
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#72 - 2012-02-09 19:56:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
Xercodo wrote:
I haven't read much of this thread but devs please simply make the shaders allow for simple RGBA values to be passed along to cover the textures instead of whole new textures for each customization like the ishukone scorpion seems to imply.

I believe this is what the .red files are for, and each one is in the range of 20-40 kb (full texture mabs are about 10x as big) so while this is much easier on the server, for say 100 people on grid that is 100 people recieving custom .red files (of say 30kb) from the other 99, infromation which first has to be uploaded to the server, then downloaded by the relevent clients, thats 3 Mbs total of extra data uploaded and 297 Mbs total of extra data downloaded (~3 Mbs per client).

Even if customizations only render if looked at, or at close range, the data still has to be ready for the client to use, which wouldn't really solve the problem, except maybe buy some more time to collect the data.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see some custom designs, I just don't want the game to grind to a halt as a result.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#73 - 2012-02-09 20:18:26 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
N3oXr2ii wrote:
WOW awesome idea but would it cause lag ?

Not likely. All ships already use textures. This (OPs concept) is just a retexturing not a change of model.


You also have to consider that lag is inevitable in the sense that fleet warfare has grown larger and larger as lag is improved over time. Back then, you were lucky to see a fleet of several hundred ships. Nowadays, fleet warfare has expanded to at least a thousand per side. And when you take into account missiles, drones, bombs, wrecks, warp disruption bubbles, jet cans, etc. the lag will always be needing improvement no matter what.

Even if CCP were to devote all resources from DUST, WiS, etc., it will not be enough to fix lag because less lag means more people in fleet, which causes more lag. Funny, isn't it?

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-02-09 20:30:07 UTC
Ship customization is cool under certain conditions.

It doesn't **** up the server load, that is the most important.

When the ship blows up, so does the customization, this is right up there in importance with the above statement.

using isk would be better than using aurum for this, but if it's aurum only I'd get over it. Plex = good idea for injection of cash to ccp, cash shop = bad idea, but that's a whole different subject.

Adding some items or whatever to the market that are required to customize ships that are built by the players would be a bonus.

Corp/alliance/pilot logos would be sweet. Make them pay an initial and monthly recurring(sp?)payment for the right to "own" that logo. Along with that, allow way more customization in the logos then we currently have. Yes someone will make a penis logo, when that happens just remove it. You let us name ourselves whatever we want then police it after the fact, do the same with logos. Same idea with bad logos, just give them a generic one like you do when penisfuckass is used as a name.

Partial list of my thoughts.

Thank you T'amber for creating this thread and the survey. Hope you get somewhere with it.

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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#75 - 2012-02-09 20:31:07 UTC
gawd those colors are horrible which neither looks "militaristic" nor "threatening". as I do think that some customizable skins would be cool, i do also believe that some people do not know the phrase "in moderation"

I think neon colored ships with bright conflicting eye sore combinations are going to be rampant. not sure if i think this is a good thing for eve or not. maybe if the colors were limited dull and drab. eve is not a pretty place, lets not try to make it something its not lol PLEASE!
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-02-09 20:40:45 UTC
How many times is this guy going to quit eve?

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Solhild
Doomheim
#77 - 2012-02-09 21:09:51 UTC
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:
Hi,

Since the creation of eve players have wanted to be able to customise their ships, add corp logos and define themselves by the ship they fly. With the advent of the new PGS texturing system and CCPs much more amiable stance on player desires it is more likely than ever to become a reality in game. Over the years many ideas and arguments have been put forth on this topic in a thousand different threads from as many players but nothing solid has really come about from all these discussions.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1202/20120209023127.jpg

Now that its more than just a pipe dream what do you think about this possible feature? Is it a waste of time, is it an opportunity to attract a new type of player to the game, or is it something that will help complete the sandbox. In the interest of serious business I'll be compiling the results from this thread and if you can't be bothered replying I've created a simple 9 question survey here you can take instead. (Please note I added 3 more options after the survey had already started due to requests from pilots)

In response to your replies and as a reward for your patience and participation I will create 10 high resolution custom ship wallpapers for 10 pilots who've taken part in this thread, so make sure you post your favourite ship and a custom colour scheme too.


Hurricane please - with black and white zebra stripes :)
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2012-02-09 21:20:38 UTC
Never gonna happen.

CCP have previously said that they'd *never* let people have lots of freedom when customising ships (if they ever add it) because it would 1) Allow designs totally at odds with their art direction and the theme of eve and 2) Reduce TTP to a silly low level.

In short, any customisation they do will be limited in scope, possibly icons, selecting from a selection of pre-made skins only, or ancillary options like engine trail colours/colour of ship lights/colour of stripes etc...
Egoz Acai
#79 - 2012-02-09 21:41:26 UTC

T'amber, you have done good.
Good work.
Garrvik
#80 - 2012-02-09 21:42:24 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
YES! This has to happen. There's no reason it shouldn't.


I can think of an easy reason it shouldn't happen. History has shown time and again that when you open things up to players, they abuse/misuse the feature. You'll find ships with images of breasts on them, or genitalia, or neo-nazi symbols. The degenerates would love this.