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ATT: CCP Fix ewar/remove, considering other MMO's that can be played
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Quark Valhala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-09 14:38:31 UTC
Ok heres the thing ...
bring ewar boat black bird/falcon = win

WTF is that and you also have ewar drones!!!!

just to lett you know, it ruined my game play ccp!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-02-09 14:49:08 UTC
ECCM.
ECM of your own.
Damps.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-02-09 14:53:22 UTC
Quark Valhala wrote:
Ok heres the thing ...
bring ewar boat black bird/falcon = win

WTF is that and you also have ewar drones!!!!

just to lett you know, it ruined my game play ccp!



Learn 2 Counter?
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2012-02-09 15:24:40 UTC
It sounds like you thought you were in a 1v1 when an ecm boat arrived and acted as a force multiplier, thus butthurting you into making this post. Guess what?

An alt/friend in an arazu/lachesis could have done the same

An alt/friend in a rapier/huginn could have done the same

An alt/friend in a curse/pilgrim could have done the same

An alt/friend in any random sniper ship could have done the same

Remove ewarfare I guess?

No wait...lets make pvp flags. That way you can select who you fight based on your flag and what not. We can have duels and stuff and it'll be great.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-09 15:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Nerf autocannons CCP.

Nerf shields CCP.

Nerf missiles CCP.

Nerf armor tanking CCP.

Nerf every ship by 50% in all stats across the board CCP.

Make piracy in HISEC easier CCP.

Nerf Missions and Mining in HISEC CCP.

Make wars unescapable CCP.

Nerf everything that pays well in NULL CCP.

Hopefully my spray hits something you like.

Also for the sake of the braindead most moronic of our playerbase, those who can't adapt and suck so ******* hard they make a profession of crying on the forums, NERF ECM and CLOAKING.

And guess what will change? Not a damn thing. Because the same sorry ass players will be here owned as always, bitchin.
Quark Valhala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-09 15:44:07 UTC
it has nothin to do with they where more then me its the thing a blakc bird jammed me perma sitting on a gate 112 k away from me!
its op needs fix!
Dont try to argument about counter a chance based thing!
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2012-02-09 16:08:53 UTC
Quark Valhala wrote:
a blakc bird jammed me perma sitting on a gate 112 k away from me!


no he didn't
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2012-02-09 17:53:05 UTC
ECM has no counter on the small scale, once fielded against small gangs and/or small hulls it ceases to be a force multiplier and becomes a guaranteed knock-out win .. No other eWar type has been designed to be "OK" on the large scale thus breaking it horribly on the small, that is what needs to change.

Either that or more options beyond the stupidity that is a % based counter which does sod all for hulls with low base numbers.
- Rigs that add a static sensor strength boost.
- Static strength boost attribute added to the two ECCM modules.

That is if the mechanic is even worth keeping in the first place, effectively denying a player to not be able to play the game is pretty naff if you ask me.
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-02-09 17:58:51 UTC
Quark Valhala wrote:
it has nothin to do with they where more then me its the thing a blakc bird jammed me perma sitting on a gate 112 k away from me!
its op needs fix!
Dont try to argument about counter a chance based thing!



Found away around your FW blob?

Even though the idea of a Blackbird jamming at 112k with any possibility of 'Perma-Jamming' is pretty rediculous.. ecm has an optimal.. stop being bad at EvE
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#10 - 2012-02-09 18:31:54 UTC
EWar is the weapon of Caldari and it's either I-Win or I-lose but really it's the same as guns. I use Amarr and I can assure you, when an Amarrian ship with lasers faces off against an Artillery fit winmatar, it's I-Lose 100% of the time, or a Rails fit Rokh against a Pulse fit Baddon, the Baddon will win, hands down.

Add to that, these forums are seen by CCP as rage central and not a genuine suggestion box but a place to go to get an advantage. Skydell wants Black Ops buffed, she must own one. True, I own two and yes I am invested in them but it doesn't take away from my suggestions. They expect me to what? Ask to have all my ships and assets nerfed? Yes, please destroy my accounts CCP.

Conclusion: Dont expect anything to get done because between troll forum users and 8 years of CCP tinfoil hattery, not much gets done.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-09 19:22:57 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Quark Valhala wrote:
a blakc bird jammed me perma sitting on a gate 112 k away from me!


no he didn't


Unlikely range and unless he was in Null sec the gate guns would pop a BlackBird very quickly
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-09 19:24:41 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
ECM has no counter on the small scale, once fielded against small gangs and/or small hulls it ceases to be a force multiplier and becomes a guaranteed knock-out win .. No other eWar type has been designed to be "OK" on the large scale thus breaking it horribly on the small, that is what needs to change.

Either that or more options beyond the stupidity that is a % based counter which does sod all for hulls with low base numbers.
- Rigs that add a static sensor strength boost.
- Static strength boost attribute added to the two ECCM modules.

That is if the mechanic is even worth keeping in the first place, effectively denying a player to not be able to play the game is pretty naff if you ask me.


ECM has a great counter you don't even need a module for. Fly the F#$% away, or bring a friend
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-02-09 20:11:10 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Quark Valhala wrote:
a blakc bird jammed me perma sitting on a gate 112 k away from me!


no he didn't


He might have, considering I bet the fight lasted all of 30 seconds.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#14 - 2012-02-09 20:57:20 UTC
ECMS are chance based and they have counters. I don't see what the problem is.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#15 - 2012-02-09 21:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
The only good thing about ecm is that it hits Winmatar ships harder than some other more respectable hulls (read: Gallente). And more ecm pilots use Winmatar jammers since other more respectable hulls aren't flown all the time. Big smile

Edit: In many cases ECM is not chance based. For example when the jam strength is greater than the target ship sensor strength.
Katalci
Kismesis
#16 - 2012-02-10 02:17:24 UTC
Go play WoW if you're too stupid to learn how to counter ECM.

X Gallentius wrote:
The only good thing about ecm is that it hits Winmatar ships harder than some other more respectable hulls (read: Gallente). And more ecm pilots use Winmatar jammers since other more respectable hulls aren't flown all the time. Big smile

Edit: In many cases ECM is not chance based. For example when the jam strength is greater than the target ship sensor strength.

That's still chance-based. The chance is just 100%. (Also stop flying marauders for PvP)
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#17 - 2012-02-10 02:36:01 UTC
when you leave can I has your stuff?


the peanut gallery is slipping today....this usually gets said much sooner lol.