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I feel the need to...
Bump.
Be sure to like the first post if you think space needs a cleanup.

I think, it should not be invulnerable, but it should exist in the game. Abandoned POSes in highs, WHs and other areas just keep the moon and make unnecessary line in your ship-scanner result. If you wanna occupy the moon by your POS - don't leave it without fuel then. If you left the POS then somebody else should have a chance to hack and grab the fuelless POS (not to kill it).

IMO link the timer to time since the pos went offline, not time since someone wanted to salvage it.

Pos goes offline today, can't be salvaged till next week/month/etc
You find pos today, but hasn't been fueled in months, it's available for salvage immediately.
You find pos today, but it just went offline yesterday, sorry come back later.

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I love the idea of a constructable module for taking down dead POSs or POS modules.

Indestructible? No... Simply because the hack should be contestable, by the POS owner, or anyone else who comes across it and wants it too. It's EVE, it should be possible, but it doesn't have to be easy.

The idea to need a skill book is awesome as well. I must point that it would satisfy the current objections on duration . If someone is going to invest the time to learn the skill then they should be able to use the module better. The skill should be a 5x minimum, and could reduce the hack time by one day for every level additional level.

Time for a...
Bump

Another idea, since this is pretty much exclusively a hi-sec pos issue, is make them consume starbase charters even when offline. When it runs out, anyone would be able to 'report' the tower to the proper authorities (maybe even just a right-click option), which would in turn send a mail to the corp controlling the tower giving them X amount of days to put more charters in or the POS will be removed.

This way, if the corp controlling the tower is active and still wants it (but maybe has shut production down, or plans to sell the tower, etc) has recourse, and anyone who finds a truly abandoned tower can get it out of the way. Maybe even add a small standings bump for 'reporting' towers to encourage people to actively clean the moons out. It's also basically grief-proof - which sounds silly to say in the context of Eve, but with something like this meant only to clear abandoned moons taken by corps/players which may not be active anymore, it's important IMO.

This is not an exclusive Hisec issue.... There is POS crap littered all over the universe, as taking the time to kill a POS just isn't worth it except under specific circumstances...

There are a lot of other threads about this, though the last time i saw a thread on this it was a few months ago.

Anchorable hacking modules is a nice idea, I like the idea that it has to be manufactured by players and used as any other pos module.

as to the time line, why should it be easy? why should it take less then a week? the potential profit off the pos is much greater then the effort (with an anchored hacking module). At the same time, there are reasons why people are offline for long periods of time, even small corps (1-15) or medium (15-50) corps may not always have people around to fuel to pos Either through lack of roles, or simply because of RL issues devastating their play time.

When i started with my corp, it had 15 active members, right now, there is only one other still active, true its been 3 years, but due to rl circumstances that i couldn't control they have all had to bow out. also due to relationships with nullsec alliances, ive lost newer members to those groups. (its hard when you spend a long time to train people in eve only to get them nice spots in nullsec alliances away from your ao).

There have been a few times that ive let the tower(s) go offline, once when I took a vacation, once when i had to travel for business, and occasionally but not often, when i simply forgot to fuel them on time. i get them back online within a few days, but that was still an opportunity for someone without any effort to take my stuff. (if your <24 hour hacking module is put into play

With truely dead/abandoned towers it shouldnt matter what your timeline is, but to protect people that have occasional lapses or are unable to get online every day, it should be longer then 24 hours. Like MXZF said, not everyone plays every day. this does not mean that their opinion or addition to the game and their ownership of pos towers should be more at risk. (then it already is

Make the time it takes to hack dependent on how long the tower has been offlined, longer the time offlined the shorter a time it takes to hack, id say that a day is the shortest time it should take.

This idea is so bad it almost hurts. almost. This idea does the following:

~reduce the incentive for people to try to have pos's/ hisec or low because of single man corps consistently attacking research alt towers. Research alt towers are one of the reasons bpc are cheap enough for noob manufacturers to get into the game.

~ Nerfs the already nerfed dreadnought

~ reinforces lowsec to be the nullsec alliance only playground it is fast becoming. previously you needed dreads to take a moon from someone else, (or a lot of patience and battleships) which required some active effort on the part of the attackers. these new modules would take away that requirement and shift the balance much more to the defenders side. you arent asking for more pvp. youa re asking for more alliance blobs in lowsec.

~ more expensive low end moon goo. Small independants are the ones that mine these at margin costs. larger alliances can take and hold higher end goos. but with it no longer being necessary for you (as a goo miner) to call out 10-15 or so of your alliance members to take a low end tower, (of which im sure they all instantly volunteer for tower siege) to round out your production chains.

Of course if they do ring mining or some kind of goo mining in belts/anom/sigs whatever instead of dependent on moons, half of this will be moot. no one will give a damn about dead towers on moons, and its only in hisec that people will want to use these to avoid any actual work.

I like some parts of the idea.
Let there be a mod you can anchor at any pos that will, if no forcefield exist, destroy the POS in 28 days.

Should require a WAR DEC to mount the module. Once mounted, you can retract the war.

I want the towers DEAD, not stolen, DEAD.
Why? So industrialists have something new to build and sell.