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Let me drop skills, a respec thread from an OCD person.
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PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#1 - 2012-02-06 08:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkKnife
So, as a young and nubile pilot, I once thought I should train projectile turrets for my Gallente boats. Now, at 20M sp I still have small projectile turret to level 2.

I don't want a refund for these skills, I simply want to remove them completely. Getting a refund back at all would be an added bonus, but I personally am just tired of seeing these things ruin my completionist/OCD skill sets.

As said I don't want a refund, but if you made it a 20:1 point conversion or something insane it would prevent people from abusing the system unless they want to trade titan V for a racial frigate V skill or so.
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-06 08:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Daeva Teresa
I too would love posibility to drop skills that I trained as a noob, since im sure i will not be needing these reprocess, mining, manufacturing and science skills since I have alt for this. But there is a HUGE problem with this. Think, what would happen if someone break yours pasword and would log in your account. I know you can make some restriction on this like one skill / level per week but the problem and people that would be lying when they realyze they erased skill they need would still be there.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#3 - 2012-02-06 08:47:00 UTC
Daeva Teresa wrote:
I too would love posibility to drop skills that I trained as a noob, since im sure i will not be needing these reprocess, mining, manufacturing and science skills since I have alt for this. But there is a HUGE problem with this. Think, what would happen if someone break yours pasword and would log in your account. I know you can make some restriction on this like one skill / level per week but he problem and people that would be lying when they realyze they erased skill they need would still be there.


Then get a better password? Or don't trust people so easily? This seems like a pretty strange downside.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#4 - 2012-02-06 08:48:26 UTC
wait around 100m SP and you will wish to have them back.

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PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#5 - 2012-02-06 08:51:48 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
wait around 100m SP and you will wish to have them back.


it's 1200 points, literally, if I want them back badly enough I can always retrain them.
Daeva Teresa
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-06 08:55:08 UTC
Yes but htere are a LOT of people stupid enough in EvE. Lol just look at how mutch people get scammed everyday.
And there would be a lot of people stating that "someone" erased they skills.
Last, there is this thing with "your choices have consequences". You know what I mean, if you floded your char's brain with a lot of unnecesarry skills ... well, you did it and can't turn it back.

CCP really please dont use Upgraded, Limited, Experimental and Prototype in item names. It sounds like the item is actually worse than basic meta 1 item. Use Calibrated, Enhanced, Optimized and Upgraded. Its really easy to understand that the item is better than meta 1 and its also in alphabetic order.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#7 - 2012-02-06 08:58:29 UTC
Then as you said, limit the erasure to 1 level of 1 skill per day. That should prevent any terrible abuse unless you just don't log in for months at a time.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#8 - 2012-02-08 17:46:13 UTC
bumps.
Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#9 - 2012-02-08 17:54:48 UTC
As a fellow OCDer, I'm all in favor of removing that ugly industry section from my character sheet. I never trained it, I never wanted it. It was given to me, and I didn't get a say in the matter. P

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2012-02-08 18:41:37 UTC
Skill remaping will never, and should never, be part of the game. It is wide open to abuse by people following FotM trends.

And actions have consequences, there's no reason to be able to just delete skills and it's unneeded and would cause FAR more trouble than it's worth. I know I've accidentally trashed a ship before and was somewhat upset about that, imagine what will happen when someone accidentally deletes Titan 5, lol.

If you are suggesting that you be able to move SP from one skill into another, it's gamebreaking (as discussed many other places on this forum). If you're suggesting deleting skills completely, I expect it would cause many "Why do we even have that lever?" moments and would cause lots of trouble.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#11 - 2012-02-08 18:45:29 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Skill remaping will never, and should never, be part of the game. It is wide open to abuse by people following FotM trends.

And actions have consequences, there's no reason to be able to just delete skills and it's unneeded and would cause FAR more trouble than it's worth. I know I've accidentally trashed a ship before and was somewhat upset about that, imagine what will happen when someone accidentally deletes Titan 5, lol.

If you are suggesting that you be able to move SP from one skill into another, it's gamebreaking (as discussed many other places on this forum). If you're suggesting deleting skills completely, I expect it would cause many "Why do we even have that lever?" moments and would cause lots of trouble.


Many skills people get when they start and have no use for, so it is not entirely the consequences argument.

Alternatively, you can make the same argument for being able to delete a character, yet we still have that ability. As I've said before, you don't have to allow access to a refund on the SP, I'm fine without, if they do, make it an insane 20:1 ratio of give up to return back, and the flavor of the month switching will happen a total of once.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#12 - 2012-02-08 20:05:00 UTC
1 level of a skill per week. OK ...

let's say you just finished training Fleet Command 5 (takes about 2 months) ... and accidentally it.

now what?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#13 - 2012-02-08 20:10:51 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
1 level of a skill per week. OK ...

let's say you just finished training Fleet Command 5 (takes about 2 months) ... and accidentally it.

now what?



I guess you all think it will just be an instant delete skill button. That is not at all what I had in mind, nor what CCP would do. Make it similar to what you do when you delete a character, ask if you're sure, make them type in the name of the skill they are deleting or something similar so people can't miss click, and ask a second dialogue box. I mean at what point and to what extent do we have to idiot proof things for people?

Someone training FC5 or the final level of any other skill is near 99% not going to delete the skill, it makes no sense, since they spent all that time training leadership skills, they know what they are used for and at what purpose, and it does nothing to clean up the skill tree. The only real motivation would be to respec, in which we have already discussed.

Also, someone training that degree of skill should know better than to click a small button, and proceed through multiple dialogue boxes and check points without knowing what is going on. If they still manage to fail at that point, well, actions have consequences no?
Ren Coursa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-08 20:55:51 UTC
I dont see the problem with remaps being a part of the game? If you can remap your attributes once a year i think that should go for the skills aswell. I too suffer from imaginary OCD and would also respec skills at a penalty of lost SP.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#15 - 2012-02-08 21:03:56 UTC
I believe you vastly underestimate the stupidity of drunk people ...
Velicitia
XS Tech
#16 - 2012-02-08 21:08:36 UTC
PinkKnife wrote:
...actions have consequences no?

And the consequences of your actions are "1200 wasted SP in Projectiles" Cool.

Seems we're fine right where we are.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Akatenshi Xi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-02-08 21:10:14 UTC
We should all get one shot per toon to completely remove all skills and get refunds on skill points and allocate them to have other skills trained or partially trained.

Seriously, a lot of pilots once new train things that don't really do a damn thing or help anything of what you actively do in the game. This game has a severe learning curve and there should be some sort of aid to this. A new player is often overwhelmed by the complexity of EVE and everything you have to learn, and often they train things that are useless to them.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#18 - 2012-02-08 21:55:46 UTC
Akatenshi Xi wrote:
Seriously, a lot of pilots once new train things that don't really do a damn thing or help anything of what you actively do in the game. This game has a severe learning curve and there should be some sort of aid to this. A new player is often overwhelmed by the complexity of EVE and everything you have to learn, and often they train things that are useless to them.



This, but I dislike the idea of a complete respec, it makes it too easy to remap into some FotM trend. I simply want to be able to remove skills I have no interest in ever using again for the sake of cleanliness in my skill tree.

Maybe a hide skill option then? But that seems even more pointless than simply deleting the skill.

Drunk people take their accounts into their own hands. Aside from putting up a generic don't fly drunk warning, we shouldn't be worrying about what intoxicated people are doing.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#19 - 2012-02-09 05:16:02 UTC
Button to turn off showing a skill less than L5?
Problem solved.

OCD people are happy, and no skill reset.