Missions & Complexes

1) there's nothing wrongheaded in expecting something you yourself do to others all the time. Also, this seems to be the only area in whole EVE where people don't advice others about fittings.

2) In other words, greedy bears guarding their Imaginary Space Kredits with vicious jealosy. All I really wanted was to try the damn Incursions one time to see what the fuss is all about, I have no need for the ISK and zero interest in grinding PVE content on a daily basis.

3) Can't say, the atmosphere certainly didn't impress me.

4) Ok, I get it. The correct fleet-making procedure is to spam the chat with looking for dps -messages, disregard the available ships with no reason given, do the sites with less than optimal number of pilots because.. wait what? It's somehow better to have 0dps more than 982dps, but if the guy could fit 1038dps then it would be better than 0? Now I see.

No, it's still not moaning. I could have written that less nicely, but it's still an opinion.

And no, I did not get any reason or comments on the fit in the chat, even though I asked. I didn't post it here to get advice, like I said I won't be trying to get in fleets anymore. Guys who posted noob/failfits did get unsolicited mockery and were swiftly ridiculed, on the other hand.

tl;dr - went into Incursions expecting cool space brosef vibes and maybe even that "capsuleers unite to drive the Sansha threat back" thing, banged my head into the bling wall, gave up.

Ahh, yes. The community-building, cooperative content of Incursion at its best.

Try highsec exploration. It's competitive at times, but a lot less cut-throat than incursions and there's a real community there because it attracts people with a certain mindset. My oldest contacts in Eve are fellow explorers I met by racing them through DED 4/10s and other such sites. Also, the skill requirements for starting up are a lot lighter.

And there's no one griefing it.

Thanks for the replies and info. I appreciate it.

I happen to know some Google Fu, that fit is slightly modded from a respected incursion guide site and I did read the others instructions and acted accordingly. It seems that there was still plenty of things I should have known, which were not available with Google Fu.

Yeah, it seems I should have fitted a Navy Mega with navy magstabs and webs, but I was not too hot for flying a ship like that into my first incursion site with total strangers. Or maybe bring my shield Hype.

My point still stands- if you are a random person with BS V, standard battleship with T2 guns and some faction mods thrown in there, it seems to be impossible to get in fleet and get anything else than a very frustrating experience and wasted playtime.



Because I don't judge people based on stereotypes, reputation or second-hand opinions. Sometimes they are correct, however.

I don't think any FC should get you in group with that fit. Now lets see how you can improve it
1. T1 guns are not appreciated as they mean less damage. They also imply that the pilot does not have enough skills so overall their dps would be lower. So generally FCs expect pilots with atleast T2 skills. Also T2 blasters opens up the opportunity for using Null Ammo which helps a lot with range issue of blasters.
2. T1 tracking computer? get at least T2 TCs with both tracking and range scripts(you will generally use range ones). Blasters have ranges issues so every boost to their range is extremely vital.
3. lows and rigs look okay (you can use faction Mag Stabs though but its not mandatory)
4. Also in the mids if you fit a Feb Navy Webifier that would be good. (it will improve your chances of getting into a fleet very much)

The first time I went for incursions I used a T2 fitted Shield Maelstrom with a T2 web. For 2 hours I did not get a fleet invite in the meantime I saw people posting their fits and the Fed Navy webs were being used almost everywhere. So I went and replaced the web and viola I got an invite in less than 15 minutes and that too in a very good fleet(half the ships were shiny and the other half where good fitted ones). Why this happens is because good fleets generally have fleet boosters and those 14K webs get translated to anything between 18 to 21K which is the sweet spot for webbing everything.

AceSsiggy, unlike Roime, you have the right frame of mind.

VG are highly contested and fleets that loose all the time will fall apart, its not elitest, no-one wants to waste their time, hence only people will fleet good ships/fits. You don't need high dps, every uber fleet needs a tripple webber and a few logi's in to make it work.

If you can fly a basi and have logi level 4 at the least, then get into one of those with a 4//2 setup and you will be fleeted.

I don't personally do Incursions yet but after Ammzi's alts actions and other stuff that has happened I think a lot of 'Incursions pilots' will try to fly with pilots they have flown with before. Which is another shot in the head for anyone newish to the game who wishes to do incursions.

No one said it was for new characters. But if you are a vet (or at least fitted t2), who wants to make good income there is no better way in hi-sec (steady income)

In high end, high reward activities, sure.

The elitism is a byproduct of competition. In heavily competed systems, only the shiniest fleets get paid anything.


It takes under an hour to train the skills needed to be useful in a small gang/fleet and less than a week to train the skills needed to be a capable solo frig pilot (it will take you longer to travel to the fleet, and longer to figure out what buttons you actually need to press, respectively).

The time it takes to enter one specific activity in the game != the time it takes to start having fun.

That's the point where i disagree. Elitism is a byproduct of being a prick.
I am not one of the people looking for instant gratification. It's good that there is some high-end content that is only available after a certain time and investment in the game. That's not a reason to grow an attitude though. Running missions (and Incursion are pretty much just missions with beefier enemies) isn't actually difficult. The accomplishment lies in spending the time, the skillpoints amassed on your character. But not personal skills like that would be the case for let's say highend industrialists, traders, corp-/allyleaders or other types of characters that are heavily into metagaming. Invested time X is just a value that everyone can reach, even completely AFK. It's nothing that one can be proud of or that can be used to justify the kind of attitude that many incursioners displayed in the threads of the last weeks.