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eve and the market
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Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-06 18:30:14 UTC
I realise that the market is a massive feature in eve.
And I understand how things must be done carefully, so as not to upset it.
But i believe that the market is the greatest thing holding eve back now.

Eve pilots need to feel there is something out there worth going for.
ATM there is WAY too low rewards.
Everyone is in highsec.
And CCP cannot do a thing about it because they are scared ,,,, of the market

I say ignore the market CCP, let it go haywire.
EvE comes first , the market will have to just get on with it
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-02-06 18:33:59 UTC
What is it exactly, that you want to do and achieve?
Jhan Niber
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-02-06 18:37:17 UTC
This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've read.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2012-02-06 18:37:42 UTC
Kill the market!
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#5 - 2012-02-06 18:40:54 UTC
someone else to block

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Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-06 18:45:28 UTC
I need space, and everyone is crowded in one tiny bit in the middle of the map.
I need a good reason to go on with my eve career.
I want lowsec to be made a place where great riches are got with risk.
I want 0.0 space that lies outside sov space to compare to SOV space in the ordinary resources
I want to see EvE made attractive to the masses not just the few with strange tastes

Its pretty barren out there
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-06 18:51:11 UTC
Chip Flux wrote:
I need space, and everyone is crowded in one tiny bit in the middle of the map.
I need a good reason to go on with my eve career.
I want lowsec to be made a place where great riches are got with risk.
I want 0.0 space that lies outside sov space to compare to SOV space in the ordinary resources
I want to see EvE made attractive to the masses not just the few with strange tastes

Its pretty barren out there

How does the market prevent any of that? It's just a place where people place orders to conveniently buy and sell items.
Terbulus
Dog Soldier Collective
#8 - 2012-02-06 18:53:40 UTC
I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-06 18:57:28 UTC
CCP cannot put reward out there as it will upset the market
Its quite simple

They fuss around with stuff like metal scraps cos they believe its important.

Do you realise how exciting loot drops could be if it wasnt for the precious market?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-02-06 19:08:41 UTC
Chip Flux wrote:
CCP cannot put reward out there as it will upset the market
Its quite simple

They fuss around with stuff like metal scraps cos they believe its important.

Do you realise how exciting loot drops could be if it wasnt for the precious market?


Why should my enjoyment be destroyed for the sake of wow like loot drops?
Count Spank
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-06 19:09:31 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
someone else to block



That is offtopic information Lady spinky spanky
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#12 - 2012-02-06 19:10:05 UTC
EVE has 99 problems, the Market ain't one of them.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-06 19:26:41 UTC
and you are saying that lowsec being unininviting and null very much the same is not one of your 99 problems?
CCP state time and again that they want people out there.
But simple reward is not forthcomming after years.

Take the case of miners then.

If i go into 0.4 space with a small mining fleet, i expect to see something one bit better than highsec, its a no brainer.
Yet lowsec persists with very much a selection of highsec ores.
Why? Because it would upset the market.
loot drops the same
exploration sites are squabbled over, there are not enough anywhere.
faction spawns are not so rare, but its rare to get anything better than ammo.
Plenty more cases of lack of rewards for effort
All in the name of not unbalencing the market
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-02-06 19:29:24 UTC
Chip Flux wrote:
CCP cannot put reward out there as it will upset the market
Its quite simple

They fuss around with stuff like metal scraps cos they believe its important.

Do you realise how exciting loot drops could be if it wasnt for the precious market?


Exciting like what? Dropping huge amounts of faction/officer loot from all over the place? Those things are only special and worth a lot because they are somewhat rare, so you can get a high price from selling them. If you give them out like candy they stop being special and quickly drop in price, so everyone will have them and the income gained from them will drop after the short initial spike. They also stop giving you any advantage, since everyone will be using them, so what would be the point of doing it? The problem with that isn't the market havoc, the problem is that it makes large parts of industry totally pointless and turns the rare drops to generic loot.

Those things aren't minor issues or holding EVE back in any way. Rare loot needs to stay rare or it loses the things that made it special in the first place. Industry on the other hand is a major pilar in EVE and provides totally different types of gameplay for people to enjoy besides pew-pew. Keeping it viable and central expands what EVE can offer and makes EVE a much better game as a whole.
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-06 19:40:20 UTC
I will tell you what i believe players want in their loot...

They want usefull things, things that are better than they have, and better than they can afford.
Stuff to put ship fits together that they can be proud of.

Not another cartload of crap
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-02-06 19:43:22 UTC
This must be a troll thread... 10/10 because it obviously succeeded. I mean...it IS a troll thread right? Has to be...if not...I have lost all faith in humanity.

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Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-02-06 19:44:36 UTC
I have manange to decipher the estranged ramblings of the OP.

I believe it is a dislike for the pseudo oligopolies that exist in game (Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens) that is used for convenience and as an influential guide for market pricing.

So other than the fact that the OP doesn't realise that the market is player influenced and open to freedom based on player activity and believes it is his right to have CCP setup a hypermarket in his estranged low sec back quarter in the far reaches of nowhere for no real purpose other than personal supply I guess.
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-02-06 20:00:08 UTC
hehe

im sorry mate but its you with the marbles missing

do you not realise that CCP are the ones that set the rewards for actually flying ships out there.
And the items that people gain, then have a direct influence on the market?
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-02-06 20:03:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Shazzam Vokanavom
Chip Flux wrote:
hehe

im sorry mate but its you with the marbles missing

do you not realise that CCP are the ones that set the rewards for actually flying ships out there.
And the items that people gain, then have a direct influence on the market?


The value for which are determined by a "player influenced" economy. Both in terms of pricing and geographical distribution.

Case and point, Jita's history and origins stems from the fact it used to be a prolific missioning system.
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-02-06 20:13:53 UTC
sure its a good troll, as you are right,
but unfortunately we do not have this situation.

rewards are the one and only plain reasoin for lack ot players in any area. no matter if its roids or loot.

and everyone is huddled in highsec,

Why?
Lack of reward for effort, its been like it too long.

Why?
because there is no room on the market for enough rewards to make everyone happy

The market needs to expand so that all players old and new, can all feel they have enjoyed good rewards for hard efforts
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