EVE General Discussion

If ever a space MMO with the fight mechanics of Freelancer comes into existence, I will be first in line.

But until that day, EVE is pretty much it. And while chess in space (Rifter to logistic 4) has it's boring side, it's the way it is and so ingrained into the basic game that it would be impossible to change without recoding from scratch.

Mr Epeen

Damn. I'm in Colorado... that still looks frakin' cold.

EvE gameplay isn't horrible. It's just getting into a rut. The blinders are on. I think we should get some smaller ships in there mixing it up stick and rudder or atmospheric flight style. I know there's not atmosphere in space. I realize that. ...but this "orbiting" bulls*** we do now is no more realistic. We could have freelancer style combat... maybe something sub-frigate class? Dust is putting boots on the ground. Large fleet combat (and small) getting looked at for summer. I would say we are on the right track and gameplay is set to diversify more as it is. I think the existing mechanics for larger ships is ideal and makes sense. Things can get pretty complex with fleets...

Angry Teenager is the most intelligent poster in this thread and totally gets eve pew pew.

Angsty Teenager's post is spot-on. I can confirm what he wrote. I never had much fun participating in blobs. Instead I really enjoy the "underdog role" in PvP. Fighting when outnumbered, solo or only with a few mates on my side.

I had fights lasting 10+ minutes. I need to outsmart and surprise my opponents. Thinking outside the box is helpful. The everlasting challenge to earn enough ISK to afford this (sometimes expensive) style of PvP. For me all this is maximum fun. At the end I often receive much more than a "gf" in local. Some even thanked me for the fight!

You miss my point and prove it at the same time.

Of the overall game content, since starting in 2006, I have yet to see every mission, storyline, epic arc, and have so far seen only roughly 40 percent of the content that is out there.

And this is because there is no "quest line" that can be done for "leveling up".

Much of the content, because of the way I play, will not be experienced either. If an opportunity comes up, that's great. But I pay the same amount for a sub that anyone else pays, and someone else paying the same amount might have, in the same amount of time, done every mission, flown every ship, engaged in every profession, and hit every constellation at least once.

To say that I, because I pay to be here, should have that kind of experience, when it was entirely up to me to take the time to do it, would be absurd.

One area where time = success is in the "levelling up/power grinding for purps" thing that we see in other MMOs. This results in a "he who is most neckbearded wins" scenario.

EvE is not as harsh. Being able to run a Skill Queue while away is one of the huge selling points of this game and were it really required to have a thick layer of beard on my neck (read: have no life and play this game all of the time doing nothing else) to have any kind of status other than FAIL, I would have left years ago.

Instead, at times logging in only to patch or update the client and keep the skill queue going for months, there are these "incidents" that are memorable or epic and I was able to have some level of survival (just a little beyond SUCK) because I am not being punished for having a life and a full time job.

This is well worth it, and worth the money I spent. But I am in no way entitled to anything.

Neither are you.

Search on the Gallente holonet, you crossdressing, ignorantly spelling harlot. I am quite certain that there are at least 10 purported Jamyl Sarum holoreels. Most of them must be impostors, something which is quite easy to find in a Empire with a trillion citizens, but it is said that her youth as a frivolous noble socialite may have left a few... traces on her otherwise spotless record.

tbh, I think making spaceship control more intuitive and direct would go a long way towards new player retention. Possibly more so then this whole Incarna thing. (Please add it as an addition option tho, and do not remove current way of controlling spaceships)

I agree on that, manual steering as form of manual control would make the game greater and make manual control overall easier especially on frigates. Wish they would ever finish jumpgate, but they never will. :tears:



You can fly your ship manually ... so its 1 of 2 at least. ;-)

aren't you in an alliance that hot drops everything? I mean, if you know your history, it would be pretty clear that goonSWARM got their start when they were a pre-sov holding alliance giant SWARMING in massive blobs of frigates and other ridiculous ship fits. They proved that a bunch of goons with fail fits and numbers can take down and overwhelm pretty much any target. I could be wrong but I doubt that they have swayed from this kind of mentality now that they are capable of hot dropping titans on laughable fleets. you sound like a hypocrite here lol

back on topic though. If they added WASD for stick/rudder and mouse wheel for throttle or something on sisi for frigate class ships and maybe cruisers, i'd go check it out. small ship fights should be a bit more engaging and action packed. larger ships are just too big and clunky to justify those kinds of maneuvers and their flight controls should remain as is.

i'd like to also confirm that i have invited many real life friends who left quickly because they couldn't rip their mindset away from traditional fantasy MMOs where the game is engaging because right away you are running quests and collecting loots and building up your class and character. not a single one remains and even funnier, not even the guy who introduced me to this game still plays....but i stayed for several reasons. in most MMO games i have played, i have always enjoyed the idea of creating/crafting items and building businesses. and EVE offers the best around in this regard. the industry and trade model is unmatched by anything out there. I also remember how much time it took to, aside from skillpoints, to actually learn how industry works.

there should be a constellation system that is large enough to progress from 1.0 to -1.0 or 0.0 that is like a "trial island" for new players only, like someone earlier suggested. where new players can play with only trial accounts and are allowed to leave if they choose but cannot return once they leave (would prevent any unfair advantages). also, no player to player isk giving in these systems and other restrictions that would give them an advantage during trial "much like the model used in EQII or Vanguard". I'd even suggest that there be 4 constellations for the 4 factions, that all tie in together at the 0.0 epicenter of this trial space area. then have these noob missions/quests send them to the same area of space so they can learn to pvp quickly, on a somewhat even playing field. if someone is making an alt, they just simply take the gate that puts them in "our space" and never look back.

some ideas for missions in this area would be introduction to PvE for a few combat missions or so then send them progressively to the 0.0 epicenter. heres what i had in mind if it makes sense:

could be seen as introductory FW
minmatar pilot takes mission to trial 0.0 space on one side of the constellation and so does a caldari pilot on the other side. make the mission system offer these at the same time so that both pilots are using 2 different activation gates landing them on 2 different sides of the "battlefield". their mission could be to eliminate npc's of the opposing factions ships and/or fight to grab some loot from a warehouse or something. have the activation gates operate much like a "warfront" (as much as i hate the term) where players from both sides have to wait until the battlefield teams are full and have them activate the gates once both sides fleets have reached maximum capacity.

anyways just some ideas that i'm sure no one will read, or like lol