Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do I need to mention tracking speed again?

Actually, yes, it would. Kronos gets a tracking bonus, but it's the same based on pretty much all mega hulls. The Vargur gets a tracking bonus, too. WHY the f*** the Paladin doesn't get one is beyond me. Another CCP member dropped the ball I think.

Paladin vs Nightmare. Nightmare has more tank, more damage and better tracking. The ONLY thing the Paladin (or any marauder really) offers over the preferred faction BS's is the tractor bonus. Not to mention the gimped powergrid. Vargur can't fit arties, you can forget it. And a Paladin with tach's can't fit anything better than an Imperial Navy LAR.

Ocih kinda hit it head on, too. The marauders are completely out classed. And I do think the whole gimped for pvp thing is bulls***. This may have been a good idea back in the day, but now with faction ships becoming much more common, this needs to be fixed and ungimp our damn T2 ships that we have to train so much for.

Marauder's are somewhat underwhelming... especially compared to faction BS's.

I think a review of the sihp class, and a readjusting of their stats is reasonable.

1.) Maintain their focus... They are meant to be a quality PvE boat, with bonuses related to that. They currently work well as a missioning boat, even if they aren't the "best" option. Given that the lucrative PvE opportunities have signficantly changed since Marauders were introduced, its more than reasonable to adjust their bonuses and roles to be inline.

2.) They should have some drawbacks, but they should be semi-balanced around their concept. If they tank really well, put out top-quality dps, then they should have some drawbacks related to their use. Having them typically fit an ECCM when fighting guristas, a sensor booster when fighting serpentis, etc, is a good thing!

Can anyone actually come up with a gameplay justification for not making marauders viable for pvp?

The same ones who fly around in 1bill isk fit ungimped pirate faction bs's. The justification against marauders in pvp no longer exists imo.

Why not just take away everyone's Marauders, give them a faction battleship of their choice, and reimburse their skill points?

Even if a pirate/navy battleship is designed purely for PvP why are they so good at PvE at the same time? This is the main issue really. If you gimp a ship to make it only for PvE you essentially relegate it to a second place hull. For a ship that requires a hell of a lot more SP in order to fly efficiently this idea that Marauders should be "second class" is a flawed view.
Also, PvE has evolved so much now that the Marauder is outdated and needs to be brought back up to date.


If my station wagon cost the same or more than the neihbours "two-seat boxster", required me to be a more skilled person to drive it and was considered to have more advanced technology powering it, then yes. I would expect my station wagon to outperform the boxster at the local traffic light, especially if that was the main purpose for my station wagon to exist.


Negative. You're far better off blitzing 3 or 4 missions and returning in a Noctis to salvage them all in one go. Salvaging on the go is inefficient and extremely taxing on the pilot. In order to retain long range tractors I suggested introducing medium and large varients.


To be honest, I think Marauders should be very good at both PvE and PvP. They should be considered "Premium" battleships as they are very expensive and require so many SP to fly them. I don't think that they should be the next FOTM but I do believe that they should have a "pressence" on the PvP battlefield.

Lets do this car analogy.

This is more like comparing a Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG (marauder) to a Ford Mustang (navy bs). Only, CCP has decided to leave the parking brake engaged on the ML63 and cut the lines for the power steering and removed a spark plug or two. That would be a more accurate analogy.

From a Golem info ;

Role: Marauder

Geared toward versatility and prolonged deployment in hostile environments, Marauders represent the cutting edge in today’s warship technology. While especially effective at support suppression and wreckage salvaging, they possess comparatively weak sensor strength and may find themselves at increased risk of sensor jamming. Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines.

And i see people saying "Marauder's are not mean for pvp".
Role description seems to say otherwise.

As to Op. not so sure on EW immunity, but some improvement is needed. Especially on torp/cruise damage application across all Battleship missle platforms.

*snaps fingers*
How about not bonuses against E-War, but bonuses TO E-War.