Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because of falcon, amirite?

This change would make ECM useless vs DPS boats, changing it from the most useful e-war type to maybe the most useless.

What this may actually be good for is a way to buff sensor damps. They already cut targeting range. Make them cut effectiveness range too.

If ECM stays chance based, maybe we just need to change the chance. Change it from E/S to E/(E+S). Example: Jam strength 13, sensor strength 16: Chance of jam = 13 / (13+16) = 44.8% vs the current 81.25%. For a jam strength of just 3, it would be 3 / (3+16 ) = 15.7% vs 18.8% now. For little guy jams the change would be small. It would be large for the big overpowering jams. This change would also mean there is no longer the capability of Perma-Jam.

the majority of people I've spoken to seem to agree that ECM is fine

clearly there's a dilemma here

Do idiots like you even read the OP?

This thread isn't about nerfing ECM, it's about making the mechanic less chance based and more logical. Hell, if my idea was implemented, I wouldn't even mind buffing ECM sensor strength to balance out the reduced tactical applications.

ECM is all or nothing. Its perma jam or die. It's as simple as that. Anything less than that results in the ecm ship taking damage and having no ability to do so. I know ECM as well as anyone in this game. Considering most of my ecms are elite certed and the the last three elite certs have less than a month to finish. 1 level 5 skill in weapon disruption, target painting and sensor linking and everything is elited. Whats your expertise?

I'm talking to whoever claims ECm needs changing without having a clear line of thought in how ECM operates and the limitations the ships that use it incur.

I don't give a rats ass about your killboard but i'd like you to prove you are a ecm user and not just a whiny mouthbreather who got jammed out by a ecm ship and believes it to be unfair.

My elite certs are publically displayed and if you have more congrats. But if they aren't ecm focused you'll have to forgive me asking you to leave the ecm balancing to those who use it.

This is exactly what I was talking about. Someone comes in, waving his epeen, er, I mean certs, and claims that everyone else's opinion is invalidated by his superior... whatever he's got. Clearly, no one else but the most ECM elite cert having people should be able to discuss ECM and everyone else's opinion is invalidated because it doesn't align with the ECM cert-heavy guy's opinions.


No, that's not how it should work.


It takes just a few minutes to have ECM mechanics properly explained to someone. I understand how they work, and I've tested them thoroughly. I've discussed ECM mechanics with corpmates, tested them, discussed, retested them, etc. Hell, I even wrote a computer program that accurately models ECM vs. non-ECCM, and ECCM equipped ships, and had it output millions of runs with dozens of different strength for each... Can you say you've done that? Does that make me claim that I understand ECM better than anyone else and that only my opinion should matter?


I don't think the OP's proposed changes to ECM are good, since they too closely mirror what damps already do, but I still stand by my claim that if ECM was instantly removed from this game entirely in an emergency patch tonight, EVE would be a better game because of it.

ECM is that bad of a mechanic.

Turn your certs public then and lets see what you have trained in ecm. Simple enough right?

Saying that those without skills to use ecm should be taken seriously in ECM discussion is like saying people who can't fly titans should be the first people we run to for a educated opinion on how titans work and should play. You can scream it til you're blue in the face, no one is buying it. Which is why as stated previously, CCP has disregarded that bullshit and it's unchanged.

Whether you like ecm or not is I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-T. Its in the game, it has a function and works as intended.

I would post my certs, except that it would solve nothing (and I don't want to). I can argue the same thing: Write a computer program that accurately models ECM game mechanics, otherwise you don't truly understand ECM. When you've got it, upload it to eve files and post the link ,then I'll believe that you should be taken as an authority on ECM. No, that's silly, you don't need to write a program to model ECM mechanics in order to understand them, right? Just like implying that someone who doesn't have your epeen level of certs shouldn't have their opinion considered.

Whether or not I like ECM or not would be irrelevant if threads regarding ECM didn't keep popping up, for years on end, except they do.

You've proven in a single sentence what the entire purpose of this thread was. So you admit, then, that ECM all basically comes down to whether or not the dicerolls are in your favor? Is this not incredibly lame?



You do realize that this suggestion will in no way hamper the ability of blackbirds to suicide gank incursions? Nerfing a guardian's RR range to 0 seems like a pretty good way to mess with an inc fleet tbh. In fact, it'll probably be even better, because you're not dicerolling and are basically guaranteed kills if you have enough ecm strength.

The only objective of this suggestion is to change the role of ECM from a random, unpredictable mechanic which is either awesome against everything or terrible against most things into something which requires planning to use, and has a set effect, like other forms of EWAR.

You'd realize this if you actually read the suggestion in the OP, so I'm getting the sense you didn't read it at all and are just jumping at the opportunity to accuse me of being a whiner who wants to blanket nerf ecm.



I know very well how it operates: You click a module, you roll a dice, if the diceroll is high enough, the target can't do a single thing. If it isn't, they are completely unaffected. Compare and contrast to other forms of EWAR, where you're guaranteed a more niche effect, which requires a semblance of though to know when to use, unlike ECM where everybody just trains a falcon alt and uses it because it has a *decent* chance of working against most targets. (Or, you know, a 100% chance of working if they're in anything smaller than a BC and haven't gimped their fit with ECCM)



I'm pretty sure it is relevant, considering that we're playing the game to have fun, and the fun you have when playing a game is generally directly tied in with how much you like the game's mechanics.