EVE General Discussion

If there is one thing that has been imbued upon me as a new player (Or at least, a player which is well and truly done with Incursions and Market PvP) it's the importance of maintaining a good killboard. If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you.

So clearly a bad killboard is something I wish to go to great lengths to avoid, and given that any mistake made will haunt you for the rest of your EVE career, or even make you completely unhireable if your losses are particularly unfortunate, not to mention my leisure time is valuable and I don't want to waste it with fools. In light of this, why would I want to join a corporation which is, or at least is operated with anything less than:

Activity.
Competence.
Experience.

And so far my experiences of trying to find a good group for the past month have consisted of 3 main experiences and 1 minor:

"Sorry, no PvP kills, no recruitment. Get 200 kills and a 90% ratio then come back and we will talk." - That's fair enough. If I was sat at the top of the pile I would probably ask for the very same out of my recruits.

"Come fly in my 10 man derp corporation. We're active in EU TZ and hardcore mercenaries!" http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Psychic+Genocide Oh Dear.

"Come be a mindless drone in my 0.0 renter alliance. Be prepared to be thrown into the meatgrinder by our overlords, suffer under a 20% tax and have your ships and assets locked without notice!" - Sounds unappealing, but is sadly the best offer in the table at the moment.

And then my favourite which I have had twice now when actually approaching a decent group that is willing to accept new players. "Sorry, despite having your API history which is cleaner than a saint and having spoken to you extensively over the past few days, people who have less than 10 million skillpoints and level 5 in logistics and decent ECM skills are obvious spies (?!?). You're a threat and I can't recruit you."

So, because I have actually taken steps to make myself more useful and recruitable, it actually works against me, because anyone who wants to fly a ship which isn't for dealing damage is clearly criminally insane or a spy. Of course the explanation "I did incursions. I didn't need offensive skills to do damage as I was most useful as a logistics pilot." holds no sway.

So now I am between a rock and a hard place. I am either doomed to spend weeks in fleets with incompetent knucledraggers umm'ing and arr'ing over aggro mechanics praying that we kill at least 2 ships before I die.

I can either be a cog in a giant all consuming alliance and hope that I can get my name on enough kills before the power shifts and our renter alliance gets chewed out.

Or I can stick a cloaking device on my Tengu and go Rambo in some low-sec system for a few months.

It's a very tough cycle to break, and I was wondering if anyone had any advice on what I could reasonably do to step up and above the rest? Those sitting in awesome PvP corps that have heroic battles against innumerable odds, where did you start? What would be your advise for an up and comer?

On a side note, if you do fly in a competent corporation that needs more competent, self sufficient Logistics/ECM/Tengu/Drake pilots do let me know.

Most of those e-peen corps are terrible anyway, the only way they get thier magic effieciency is by can baiting and blobbing

By those meatgrinder alliances you want to avoid, they are used a lot.

By those elite pvp corps you want to join, not so much.

Of course I assume there that you won't be capable of simply flying a tengu into fights all the time. If you can actually afford to do that, you might just be !elitepvp material.

Well, I did just play the markets and do incursions for the past 5 months. Let's just say I am comfortable.

If it is the case that those sorts of ships aren't frequently used by good small gangs, what should I look at training in to?



If you space gets conquered or if your overlords decide they don't like you any more, that's it, you are locked out of your station and can't access your assets. And in order to pay the rent for the system some of the renter corps I have spoken to have operated a 15-20% tax.

Holy crap. I haven't posted kills or losses in two years.

Guess no one ever want to fly with me...

Next time actually read my post and notice where I didn't say anything at all to the contrary, and actually went on to say they have every right to maintain that policy and that I would if I was in their shoes.

Well, obviously I want to fly with good PvPers, but nowhere did I say I was entitled to transcend their rules, please note 3 paragraphs down.

""Sorry, no PvP kills, no recruitment. Get 200 kills and a 90% ratio then come back and we will talk." - That's fair enough. If I was sat at the top of the pile I would probably ask for the very same out of my recruits."

It's called context sensitivity. Sure, quoting odd things I say as stand alone statements will portray a point that furthers you ends to rage at strangers over the Internet, but it doesn't necessarily, or even at all give an honest representation of what I am saying.

You are mistaking "If you don't have a 80%+ ratio, no one worth flying with, will want to fly with you." as a whine. It's not. It's a statement.

People are so obsessed with killboard stats...

Just get rid of killmails all together and it will fix the attitude some people have in this game

To address both points of contention when killboards first arrived on the scene... Yes, killboards provide invaluable stats and intel (both positive and negative, a blockage and a leak) but what if we were all ignorant to it anyway? Would it matter as much? What if intel actually had to be earned and collected again, like it used to be.

Is it so wrong to dream of an Eden where a pilot's own rep as a killer is tied more to his or her terrifying portrait and mere presence in local rather than some database numbers sets of his EXACT performance?

Such is the crux of this argument... maybe it's time to have it again.
Is EVE mature enough today to have this argument?

"Experienced Logi 5 Scimi pilot looking for PVP corp"

Post that on recruitment and you easily get into a good/decent pvp corp.