EVE General Discussion

I would say that yes, you will lose ships to begin with but if you fly cheap stuff you can learn lessons that will make you more effective as you get into more expensive ships. By that time you should be earning enough to not worry about losing a cruiser or BC. Everybody loses ships, even experienced pilots, but those who don't sit around waiting for their sp or isk to mount up will gain more from making mistakes and will learn more lessons than those who wait for a long time.

Give Red vs Blue a try for a couple of weeks, see what you think. Get some cheap frigates kitted out and stick to a budget, if you need help then perhaps some of the older pilots in those corps might help you out. It's all just experience, sp aren't as effective as that.

Back when I was a noob and thought mining was good money, I too thought like this.

Then one day I got tired of people harassing me all the time and decided to fight back. And I discovered that all that BS people had been telling me about raw SP totals not mattering much so long as you focused your skill training was actually true.

Shooting people was fun. After I'd shot enough people I ended up in corps where your killboard standings and your e-peen are one and the same, which made up for the times when shooting people wasn't quite as much fun anymore, and after I'd gotten a few dozen of my own ships blown I totally stopped caring about my ships as anything other than a disposable vehicle to play EvE in.

I took a couple of long breaks from EvE. I have about 2/3 as much SP as an equivalent character of the same age but I do just fine because rather than being able to fly all ships poorly I can fly a couple of races very well, and it just doesn't matter anymore, if it ever did.

Now I pvp to pvp. It's kind of a zen thing. I have good corpmates to fly with, we have plenty of people to shoot at, we have our little corner of Stain to carebear in (or not, depending on who's decided to come visit us), and sure there may not be any real point when all is said and done but tbh I don't see how that's any different from any other MMO out there, save in EvE I'm not a slave to an NPC (or the devs telling me what content I should and should not be running and with whom, which is even worse).

So pretty much it's ALL about the corp your in huh. So dumb question then but how am i supposed to find a good one besides believing what they tell me cuz let's face it, truth has no place on the internet. I don't want to have to bounce through 50 corps to find a good one because that will probably look bad. Also I've noticed that even though the corp says it has like 100 members, there's only like 5 guys that actually play anymore.

Do your due diligence. Ask alot of questions, infer and extrapolate, and use various 3rd party resources to help you figure out if what they say is true or incorrect. Think outside the box. Just because this is all virtual doesn't mean you should accept the preconceived notion that you're powerless.

PS- I used to recruit and was also able to deduce if an applicant was lying to me as well. So it goes both ways.

Depends why you fought in the first place. Could be revenege, could be for justice and to help others, could be to save friends, could be to get tears, could be defense of ship/ideals/space, could be they have something really expensive n shiny you want to hack off their ship for yourself.

Or could simply result in being an adrenline junky. When there is actual lose.. effort into your ship's existence and the thought that the ship could very well go bye bye forever.. no waking up in a station with your ship all safe n clean. Such creates extra adrenline, atleast for me.. than other MMOs with PvP elements. Makes the eyes widen, and heart race a bit more (I suggest learning to control it over time to avoid making mistakes from unclear thought).

As far as finding a good one.. check adverts of corps and see what they offer, what they do. Take it a step further and look them up on Battleclinic and/or griefwatch and see how many kills/loses per week, and how many members are active, and what kind of style fighting they seem to prefer to associate with. And then, insert what you think you are looking for.. and give the one you like a shout.

You don't have to wait a year to get PvP capable. If you are worried about being crushed by higher skill players you have to learn to rely on your gang, instead of worrying about being as good as some fictional opponent think what can I do for my Gang to help them win. I hated the whole idea of PvP in EVE when I started and have a whole page of terribly fit solo loss mails to show for it. I then started researching fits, tactics and directed my training to suit them and suddenly things got a lot better for me.

Waiting a year is not something you need to do to get a gang capable ship that will be a genuine help. Tackle Rifters / Merlins are an easy train and for a real combat ship the Drake and Cane are the general direction you want to go. They are the common soldiers of EVE, the Ships of the People. Basically what you want is a T2 Weapon System, 5 T2 Drones and a T2 Tank with Support Skills at 4. This does not take to long to achieve and a meta 2-3 Gun fit Battlecruiser with LvL 4 Ship, Weapon, Tank and Support Skills is quite acceptable in most gangs.

The important thing is finding folks to fly with.

[Hurricane, My First Cane]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II

425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm Medium Gallium Machine Gun, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Here was my first real PvP Ship. I got T2 Auto's soon after, researched the fit and I saw good success with it. Flying a relatively skilled Battlecruiser like a Drake or a Cane is a liberating thing. Their is a reason most people don't role around in T1 Cruisers, Battlecruisers are everywhere and once you have a well skilled, properly fitted easily replaceable Battlecruiser flying in a coordinated Gang you won't feel like a newbie anymore.

The reason I fly PvP is it is just fun and excitement. It is something to do. You grind up so a ship like this doesn't hurt your wallet then you go for it.

I have done RvB and it is the most Fun I ever have had in EVE. It is an amazing Corp with a very low cost entry to PvP but I would suggest a few hundred mil and pre setting up your ships at the headquarters of the Corp you choose. Mostly Cruisers and Frigates I would pick a race and start focusing. I recommend it if you have the ISK.

Just remember the 3 most Important things to do before PvP'ing.

1. Find Gang Mates.
2. Research, Research, Research Everything from fits to training to tactics.
3. Consider your Ship gone before you fly it. I don't mean you will loose it but if life without that ship deadends your game you are not ready to fly it. Once you can take it out and its lose won't effect your PvP / PvE future you are ready to fly it.

So if you want to PvP start earning a nest egg and start researching fits. Starter PvP is a Mountain in this game and you are at the Base. Staring at it won't help so start now even if it is only preparing yourself with ISK and Info for the climb.

killmails

When you say "I'm new" I really don't know what you mean but if by new you mean 6 months? There really is a point where it is moot how many skill points you have or I have.

A 6 month char can in fact cap Assault frigate skills for any given race. You would be as good as I am in that frigate and while I might beat you on experience, the raw power of the skill points and the ship in a 1 vs 1 we would end in a draw alot of times.

Also, most battles as you said are fleet battles. Ships in EVE are all niche and have holes in thier function. There is no ship that can handle any situation. There are fleets that can do that but they are huge, in the thousands and hard to manage in EVE. I think like you after 7 years. I PvP with purpose or I don't PvP. I refuse to grief, I won't abide by the not blue shoot it and I will never PvP for the sole purpose of "tears". It is not in my nature to be hatefull like that, I don't find it entertaining. So I find situations that allow me to pvP within my guide. I find people who think the same way and I fleet to defend them. I have never lost a ship or got a killmail defending myself. It has 100% defending others. Thats my niche. Find yours.

Making things explode is fun.

Why do PVP when you can be a carebear....
and live in peace and harmony ?