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Ishtar, oh Ishtar...
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Dyaven
#1 - 2012-02-05 02:32:05 UTC
Why are you so useless? I want to fly you so bad, but there's nothing you can do well.

Dual Rep? Myrmidon does it better at a quarter of the cost.
Nano Shield? Can't engage anything that can hit you from 20km - most notably, Hurricane and Drake. Derp.
Brick Tank? Wtf are you thinking.

Sad

When trying to fit an Ishtar one thing that immediately hits you is PG/CPU issues. I can not think of any ship that has more fitting issues than the Ishtar. It has a Medium Gun bonus but if it fits three Medium Blasters it literally has room for nothing else. Can this boat please get some much needed love?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-05 02:36:20 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
Why are you so useless? I want to fly you so bad, but there's nothing you can do well.

Dual Rep? Myrmidon does it better at a quarter of the cost.
Nano Shield? Can't engage anything that can hit you from 20km - most notably, Hurricane and Drake. Derp.
Brick Tank? Wtf are you thinking.

Sad

When trying to fit an Ishtar one thing that immediately hits you is PG/CPU issues. I can not think of any ship that has more fitting issues than the Ishtar. It has a Medium Gun bonus but if it fits three Medium Blasters it literally has room for nothing else. Can this boat please get some much needed love?



Be careful when saying "nothing". It is a very absolute word. The Ishtar does a number of things extremely well. I assume from your examples above you are focusing on the PVP side?
Humidor Cigarillo
#3 - 2012-02-05 02:45:29 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
Why are you so useless? I want to fly you so bad, but there's nothing you can do well.


It's the best cheap plexing ship in gur/serp space and most certainly the best if that space is hostile. If you're belllyaching about it being inferior as a pvp ship then i've got news for you: most hacs are just as useless.
Parked Here
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-05 02:56:21 UTC
The Ishtar shines as a PVE ship, not all ships are good at everything.
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#5 - 2012-02-05 03:16:57 UTC
let us hear some more complaints about one of the best hacs

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Jeremy Ironforge
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-05 03:18:10 UTC
285 base CPU, hell, even T1 hulls have more! And that's double stupid and unfair since Ishtar needs a DLA so badly and that's 50 CPU!!!
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-02-05 03:21:27 UTC
Ishtar cant do anything pvp-related properly. it used to make a good nano platform before the atrocities like the Cyn became mainstream, and before tier 3's were introduced. now with the AF buffs, there isnt anything that cant catch the Ishtar. brick Ishtar doesnt have enough EHP, and cant project its dps properly. plated Deimos is a better AHAC.

nano shield Gila is a beast though. Ishtar = king of PVE.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-02-05 03:22:21 UTC
Dorian Tormak wrote:
let us hear some more complaints about one of the best hacs


someone tell this guy it's not 2008-2009 any longer.
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#9 - 2012-02-05 04:45:04 UTC
well why dont you just tell me instead of trying to get someone else to tell me huh buddy

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-05 05:05:06 UTC
it's not 2008 mate.
Maximille Biagge
Hydra Eternal
#11 - 2012-02-05 06:39:47 UTC
I have a few friends who used to run serpentis plexes in passive shield tanked ishtars which they swore by. Apparently they can get a bomb tank that way and you just let your drones do the talking.
Humidor Cigarillo
#12 - 2012-02-05 06:44:07 UTC
Hay gaiz, my cruze raven didn't get into the alpha fleet tonight. Came to post about it. o7o7o7
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#13 - 2012-02-05 08:32:56 UTC
Used to be the go-to ship for hunting down those hidden Serpentis/Guristas and murdering them for profit.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#14 - 2012-02-05 08:59:55 UTC
The fact that everyone here is listing PVE scenarios really does show how much of a buff the Ishtar needs for pvp. It's a joke that the bonus is for medium hybrids but yet most of the popular fits are using small hybrids.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Humidor Cigarillo
#15 - 2012-02-05 09:16:07 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
The fact that everyone here is listing PVE scenarios really does show how much of a buff the Ishtar needs for pvp. It's a joke that the bonus is for medium hybrids but yet most of the popular fits are using small hybrids.



I'll gladly take a HAC that has a pve niche over a HAC that has no niche at all (eagle) or a hac who's niche is so small it has hardly been seen since the nano-nerf (sac). In-fact i'd take the ishtar over any hac today because they're all essentially useless in pvp thanks to tier3 bc being cheaper and better in most hac applications.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-02-05 17:04:10 UTC
Humidor Cigarillo wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
The fact that everyone here is listing PVE scenarios really does show how much of a buff the Ishtar needs for pvp. It's a joke that the bonus is for medium hybrids but yet most of the popular fits are using small hybrids.



I'll gladly take a HAC that has a pve niche over a HAC that has no niche at all (eagle) or a hac who's niche is so small it has hardly been seen since the nano-nerf (sac). In-fact i'd take the ishtar over any hac today because they're all essentially useless in pvp thanks to tier3 bc being cheaper and better in most hac applications.



Apart from the vagabond that is. But we have the Cyna for that.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-05 17:40:58 UTC
i havnt used a ishtar for a LOOOOOOOONG time, used to fly one at least once a week and even had afew fitted for different things.

Nowadays the ehp is very poor with extremly tight fitting limits and a blaster bonus for medium guns which if you fit, you have used half your grid and a 3rd of your cpu - and thats ONLY 3 GUNS!

Yeah ishtar atm is ishtarded

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-02-05 17:48:14 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
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Nowadays the ehp is very poor with extremly tight fitting limits and a blaster bonus for medium guns which if you fit, you have used half your grid and a 3rd of your cpu - and thats ONLY 3 GUNS!

Try fitting an Omen and we'll talk.

While I don't disagree, the Ishtar is still a good ship in its class. It's just that HAC's have lost a lot of ground since tier2 and tier3 BC's.
Hornet2060
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-02-05 18:51:31 UTC
I use an Ishtar as an exploration ship with good success. Has made me some nice profits, especially using sentry drones. It is good for that role, especially with the kin resist in gurist space.
Ventro69
61 Mech.
#20 - 2012-02-06 14:59:19 UTC
Sigh.....

You leave your hi slots open.

Fit point AND scram AND web and speed tank it.

Deploy Sentries at 0 on gate. Tackle anything you want, kite, loot.

Ventro69: There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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