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[Entreaty] How to solve the LP Store/Empire Tags problem.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#1 - 2012-02-02 17:23:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
I'll keep this brief for all you TL;DRers.


The problem: For a lot of LP store items, it is simply unprofitable (even, in some cases, virtually impossible) to acquire the tags required to purchase items, due to really low drop rates of particular tags. In addition, the distribution of antifaction missions is really lopsided (for example, in Gallente space, the main antifaction missions are Pot and Kettle and In the Midst of Deadspace...where the enemy is Amarr. Nice going, CCP!).

The solution: Split the distribution of missions, so that either wholly anti-pirate or anti-faction missions are offered. When a capsuleer first approaches their agent, for example, a dialogue box would pop up asking "Hello [name], I can offer you a choice of either political or law and order missions. Which one would you like take?"

I'm sure there are problems somewhere with this but I don't have the time to intricately go through them now. I will later, though.


Thanks for your comments/ideas/supports/trolls.


Adding mxzf's suggestion (see below):

Quote:
I would suggest putting another two buttons next to the "Request Mission" button for the agent and have them be "Request anti-pirate mission" and "Request anti-faction mission", which would actually help both the missioners that care about their standings (no more 4h waiting period) and the missioners who want tags to sell (no more pirate missions with no tags). And there would still be the "Request Mission" giving out completely random missions for people who just don't care.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-02 18:25:56 UTC
I'm not seeing much of an issue with this. I would suggest putting another two buttons next to the "Request Mission" button for the agent and have them be "Request anti-pirate mission" and "Request anti-faction mission", which would actually help both the missioners that care about their standings (no more 4h waiting period) and the missioners who want tags to sell (no more pirate missions with no tags). And there would still be the "Request Mission" giving out completely random missions for people who just don't care.

With any luck, and enough people running anti-faction missions for the tags, this could help to drive down tag prices (which I would see as a very good thing). As long as all three options remain a choice at all times, and you don't lock yourself into a certain set when you first talk to the agent, it sounds fine to me.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2012-02-02 18:28:14 UTC
Nice idea. The idea you proposed is essentially the same as mine :) I meant to clarify in the OP that the choice wouldn't be permanent - you could always back out of, say, choosing political missions and instead go with anti-pirate.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#4 - 2012-02-02 18:29:13 UTC
Yes, looking back over the OP I really meant to add that in lol :) well done for bringing it out to the fore :P

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2012-02-02 19:22:05 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Nice idea. The idea you proposed is essentially the same as mine :) I meant to clarify in the OP that the choice wouldn't be permanent - you could always back out of, say, choosing political missions and instead go with anti-pirate.


Sounds perfectly fine to me then. And, yeah, I was hoping that's what you meant, I just wanted to make sure (and I had what seems like a good idea for where the choice could be, so I figured I'd toss that in too).
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#6 - 2012-02-02 19:26:38 UTC
Thanks - your suggestion in your first post helps the old and senile to focus their thoughts :)

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ShipToaster
#7 - 2012-02-03 21:31:36 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
The problem: For a lot of LP store items, it is simply unprofitable (even, in some cases, virtually impossible) to acquire the tags required to purchase items


Tags need to go.

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Bunyip
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-04 04:53:35 UTC
Back when they had the agent revamp (removing qualities and changing categories) I suggested this, and I'm still behind this. This will benefit both those who are working up standings through missions, and those who seek to build faction items. Supported.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#9 - 2012-02-04 06:24:11 UTC
Sounds like a new spin on the "Oh noes, my precious standings" argument .. clever ploy to use tags as the basis for it, I'll grant you that.

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Remove ALL tags from high-sec missions, the idea that enemies are allowed to set up shop within the sovereign/policed borders of an Empire's space is ludicrous .. I mean just how bad is the military command structure if they outsource eradication of such cells to lowly station agents.

Tags in FW are plentiful, were they to become a major export item we'd have something to help keep afloat that the solo-bombers can't touch (mainly plexers and 'proper' mission runners who hoard tags).
Tags (ie. anti-faction missions) in LS in general makes heaps more sense as navy patrols are few so it is reasonable that an enemy could haul in umpteen megatons of gear to set up a forward base .. would create a market/product dependency between high- and other-sec much closer to what was originally intended in regards to ore, goo etc. ...

You could of course still have your button saying that you want to fight for the Empire in question, the mission would merely take place in nearby LS system and be concluded with agent suggesting you sign up for the militia proper! .. hahahahaha.
Simeon Whiteheaven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-04 07:30:03 UTC
There is something in your proposal, it just need a little more work and few improvment.
In any case you have my support Smile +1
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2012-02-04 10:00:39 UTC
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Sounds like a new spin on the "Oh noes, my precious standings" argument .. clever ploy to use tags as the basis for it, I'll grant you that.

---Warning: Product may contain elements of RP---
Remove ALL tags from high-sec missions, the idea that enemies are allowed to set up shop within the sovereign/policed borders of an Empire's space is ludicrous .. I mean just how bad is the military command structure if they outsource eradication of such cells to lowly station agents.

Tags in FW are plentiful, were they to become a major export item we'd have something to help keep afloat that the solo-bombers can't touch (mainly plexers and 'proper' mission runners who hoard tags).
Tags (ie. anti-faction missions) in LS in general makes heaps more sense as navy patrols are few so it is reasonable that an enemy could haul in umpteen megatons of gear to set up a forward base .. would create a market/product dependency between high- and other-sec much closer to what was originally intended in regards to ore, goo etc. ...

You could of course still have your button saying that you want to fight for the Empire in question, the mission would merely take place in nearby LS system and be concluded with agent suggesting you sign up for the militia proper! .. hahahahaha.



No, this has nothing to do with standings, and everything to do with the brokeness of the LP store requirements.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#12 - 2012-02-07 05:09:22 UTC
Yeah its true the gallente store is terrible with the tags. Always cheaper to buy them off of contracts then to redeem them. Kind of sad. Kind of like the idea, but standings loss is still annoying, and wouldnt do anti faction missions because of that. At least not now, always hoped of having a hi SP vindi or kronos then being able to handle the standing loss better.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-07 05:45:47 UTC
Yes I like this idea. Gives you a choice whether to screw up your security status with a faction for the tags or to still be able to wander through all of EVE if you prefer.

As a Gallente pilot that does use the LP stores, I agree that the tag situation in Gallente space is a bit crazy.

+1
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2012-02-07 10:02:13 UTC
Thank you for everyone's support :)

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2012-02-10 10:04:38 UTC
Back to the top :)

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#16 - 2012-02-15 09:57:42 UTC
I had thought that one potential objection to this change would be that the prices of LP store items would fall quite dramatically, hurting professional contract traders (such as myself). However, I would be willing to take this hit so that the true splendour of the LP store can be attained.

Any thoughts?

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Radax Glenn
Church of the Black Hand
#17 - 2012-02-16 18:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Radax Glenn
I would also like to see more done with the LP redemption!
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#18 - 2012-02-17 09:16:25 UTC
I was wondering about your crazy Faction Repair Chit thing - insane :P

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Dipluz
Notorious Legion
#19 - 2012-02-17 12:10:33 UTC
CCP will never make adjustment to items, beacuse of their market value and I have always supported that of my 7 years of playing.

Tbh in im for nerfing missions a lot
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#20 - 2012-02-17 12:24:53 UTC
What? Are you serious? If you really have been playing for seven years - or at the very least, paying attention to things - then you can't fail to have noticed how, for instance, they nerfed the market value of meta 4 prop mods by vastly increasing the drop rate.

This proposal is only to increase the tag supply to make the LP stores...you know...viable.

Please understand the proposal before posting.

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