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SO, 60 Devs working on WoD, where'd you get them from CCP?
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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#21 - 2012-02-03 22:55:38 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
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David Reid brings a diverse amount of experience to CCP’s helm, including tours in the Middle East and Korea as a US Army Officer, a Wharton MBA, and a resume including marketing experience at such heavyweights as Microsoft (where he headed up launch marketing for the Xbox 360), NCsoft, Trion, and GameTap.

So which one of you have better quallies and experience than this dude?


He's a marketing guy. I never said he was a bad marketing guy, in fact comparing the extremely noticeable differences in tone between Hilmar and David shows you that Hilmar should, frankly, not be doing interviews. David's job is to promote the company and all its products, and I have no doubt that he's a heavy-hitter.

That said, the warrior-worshiping culture of the US doesn't translate well elsewhere, so few are going to be impressed by his history of travelling overseas and shooting people, or more likely as an officer sending others to shoot people. Combine that with the mind-boggling decision to compare Eve players with the Occupy movement or the Arab Spring, and you start to see how skewed and naive this guy's understanding of his audience is.

I know his type, I work with them every day. They're very slick, very impressive.

They're also painfully shallow, deceitful, and disrespectful.

No good will come of this man marketing Eve Online, trust me.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#22 - 2012-02-03 23:03:00 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I have to agree with the above sentiment.

Using the same principals and tech that EVE has to create another MMO universe is smart... always has been. It's simply the same tech and methodology applied to a different genre.

They are sticking with what they do best in this case... DUST is much more of a reach for them than WOD will ever be. Even on that front, you'll notice that DUST uses many mechanics that are virtually (pun intended) identical to EVE.. just translated into something that will work on a console.

There is wisdom in diversifying your offers while still working from a well tested base... and while troll speak calls it "using EVE as a beta for WOD" in truth sharing common tech for all of their offerings is simply efficient use of resources.



I would like it more that EVE is used as beta and keep that technology for its growth too then that EVE don't get anything from that development.
Some ppl think that if EVE don't get WiS that there will be more DEVs for FiS... maybe few, yes, but they will build that tech regardless will it be used in EVE or not. So... lest use the best of CCP have - all of it.


Quite the contrary, most of the core tech that will power WOD is what is currently running EVE. The main difference will be that the WOD engine will be tweaked from the ground up for Avatars, where as most of the tweaking we see in EVE is devoted to enabling the massive combats and less on the physical movement aspects (ships don't have a lot of visible moving parts).

Most resource developed that will benefit WOD or DUST are or will be of benefit in EVE as well.

If you'll think back, that has always been the plan. CCP has never been secretive on this subject.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#23 - 2012-02-03 23:10:08 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
David Reid brings a diverse amount of experience to CCP’s helm, including tours in the Middle East and Korea as a US Army Officer, a Wharton MBA, and a resume including marketing experience at such heavyweights as Microsoft (where he headed up launch marketing for the Xbox 360), NCsoft, Trion, and GameTap.

So which one of you have better quallies and experience than this dude?


He's a marketing guy. I never said he was a bad marketing guy, in fact comparing the extremely noticeable differences in tone between Hilmar and David shows you that Hilmar should, frankly, not be doing interviews. David's job is to promote the company and all its products, and I have no doubt that he's a heavy-hitter.

That said, the warrior-worshiping culture of the US doesn't translate well elsewhere, so few are going to be impressed by his history of travelling overseas and shooting people, or more likely as an officer sending others to shoot people. Combine that with the mind-boggling decision to compare Eve players with the Occupy movement or the Arab Spring, and you start to see how skewed and naive this guy's understanding of his audience is.

I know his type, I work with them every day. They're very slick, very impressive.

They're also painfully shallow, deceitful, and disrespectful.

No good will come of this man marketing Eve Online, trust me.


With respect, I think you totally missed the point he was making... that being the vast differences between the things listed... he was not comparing them to each other.

By the way, military accomplishments and training don't impress the American people (or anyone else for that matter) simply because he may have fired a weapon at someone. Everything else that type of experience will have given him (training, discipline, leadership, perspective) however does. But apparently his military back ground is sufficient to cause you to interpret everything he said from a very, very skewed perspective.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#24 - 2012-02-03 23:47:26 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

With respect, I think you totally missed the point he was making... that being the vast differences between the things listed... he was not comparing them to each other.

By the way, military accomplishments and training don't impress the American people (or anyone else for that matter) simply because he may have fired a weapon at someone. Everything else that type of experience will have given him (training, discipline, leadership, perspective) however does. But apparently his military back ground is sufficient to cause you to interpret everything he said from a very, very skewed perspective.


With respect, I believe you just proved my point about different perspectives quite nicely.
Roxy Mitchell
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-02-03 23:59:33 UTC
Ohnoes! Quick, last one to the Jita statue is a rotten egg! Roll
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-04 07:48:06 UTC
They can put 200 man on that game and another 200 on a new website ,as long the development of EVE stays as it is

R.S.I2014
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-02-04 08:06:03 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Most resource developed that will benefit WOD or DUST are or will be of benefit in EVE as well.

If you'll think back, that has always been the plan. CCP has never been secretive on this subject.

And once the DUST settles, we'll all be going "WoD the **** was that about" as we glimpse the gorgeous graphics, slick network piping and advances in Eve gameplay as our beautiful avatars meet Chribba or Mittens, "in person" at Jita 4-4 over a game of Bridge.

CCP knows. Always did. But the NOW crowd thought they knew better.

The SOON (tm) crowd will rejoice as the NOW crowd look at the Jita monument and hang their heads in shame - if they had any.



Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-02-04 08:35:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Slaves.



Interns are so cute aren't they?

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-02-04 08:42:22 UTC
And exactly wtf is this **** CCP?! Shocked
Umega
Solis Mensa
#30 - 2012-02-04 08:50:08 UTC
CCP can do what they want with their money. As far as I'm concerned.. I pay for what I have access to now, I don't pay for a future I have no control over. Thinking I should control CCP's actions with money that is no longer mine is a bit.. strange. Either pleased with current product, or you're not.. why make something more complicated than what it isn't. Some of you fabricate way too much mental drama on yourselves.

If either one takes off even reasonably well.. more revenue towards resources for EVE's dev team.

 Ume-Pro Studios
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#31 - 2012-02-04 08:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Maybe what you should be asking is: How many people did they have working on it before the 20% cut? We were never told this, were we?

Edit: The Apostle back from the dead?
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-02-04 10:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
non judgement wrote:
Maybe what you should be asking is: How many people did they have working on it before the 20% cut? We were never told this, were we?

Edit: The Apostle back from the dead?

BOO.

Reincarnate. Resurrected. Remade. Reborn. Resubbed. Redundant. Renounced. Repatriated.

Regurgitated. <<<

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-02-04 10:08:46 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I think it will do fine.

But it seems the only people that know about Dust 514 are EVE Online players and I would bet that not a lot of EVE Online players own a PS3. CCP will have to really start advertising and fast to hope for a semi-successful game.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-04 10:59:25 UTC
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I think it will do fine.

But it seems the only people that know about Dust 514 are EVE Online players and I would bet that not a lot of EVE Online players own a PS3. CCP will have to really start advertising and fast to hope for a semi-successful game.


according to some ps3 players a lot of people outside the EVE community already knows about DUST
Why advertise fully if the product isn,t live yet

R.S.I2014
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#35 - 2012-02-04 11:07:09 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I think it will do fine.

But it seems the only people that know about Dust 514 are EVE Online players and I would bet that not a lot of EVE Online players own a PS3. CCP will have to really start advertising and fast to hope for a semi-successful game.

I used to think that the only people who would play Dust would be Eve players. I don't believe that this is true, from what I've seen lately, there are plenty of people who don't play Eve who are interested to see what Dust will be like. Usually people who visit PlayStation websites.

Edit: oldbutfeelingyoung beat me to it.
Sicex
#36 - 2012-02-04 11:14:55 UTC
I daresay Sony is the only game company outside of Blizzard that has as active a community of haters as supporters.

Coercing the entire high def video industry into Bluray was a rather shady step, but hey, at least they get to sell Bluray players now.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#37 - 2012-02-04 12:08:14 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
So will WoD ship as another massively multiplayer single room per player game too? It would be even worse than the Eve CQ experience because you wouldn't even be able to see yourself in a mirror! Big smile

Issler



LOL!!! LolLol
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#38 - 2012-02-04 12:15:49 UTC
Sicex wrote:
Comparing our online 'protests' to the Occupy or Middle East movements tells me what a naive person David Reid is.

We are a consumer base that needed to correct the faulty path of the product in which we all invested. They are fighting for their rights of life.

And, I'm sorry but DUST is only going to be selling so many copies because most people have refused to buy a PS3 or has already gotten rid of theirs. Again, a statement suggesting DUST may be the biggest game of 2012 based on naive hopes. It simply CAN'T be the biggest game because Sony is your developer. PC Gaming != Console Gaming.

I haven't even enlisted in the military and I'd say my outsider expectations are more grounded than CCP's new CMO.



Woah, you scored a really high score in being clueless... Shocked

- DUST 514 will be FTP
- There are 60 million PS3 around the world, or 150 PS3 players per active EVE subscriber
- DUST is being developed by CCP Shanghai; Sony is just the online distributor and a tech partner with the Tranquility - SOIn interaction
Sicex
#39 - 2012-02-04 12:58:42 UTC
Well that's some good news, still sad Sony has anything to do with it...
Serene Repose
#40 - 2012-02-04 13:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Or did those poor souls that got fired 'cause we misbehaved magically find other jobs the next day?

The persnickity thing about credibility...once it's gone, it's a long time coming back...if it does at all.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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