Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think that's what he meant. I'm thinking he meant remove that 100% bonus and give it something like a 5% per level bonus or something and have 8 guns fit. They need to leave it at 4 weapon hardpoints and give it like a 120% damage bonus or 100%+a per level bonus. But base it on the battleship, not marauder. The only thing that should be based on Marauders skill level is maybe tanking bonuses.

As for Marauders vs Faction:
Lets look at the problems and arguments...

Resists. Most people say Marauders need a resist boost, I would have to disagree. They do get a little bit better resists (in their race's respective resist types), but not as much as smaller t2 ships. The marauders get a lot more buffer though. The only thing that does kinda suck it makes them a bit harder to omni-tank. If anything, give them a bit more resists across the board. Like the Kronos's massive explosive hole.

Damage. Even with Marauders 5, they're still hard pressed to get the same theoretical dps as faction ships. They don't need a huge buff, just a small one to bring them up to par with faction ships. Without Marauders 5. Having that at 5 should tip the scale and put them a little more powerful than faction. The other problem with this is faction battleships get bonuses that help them apply dps like the marauders. Vindi gets webs, Nightmare gets tracking bonus (which the Paladin simply can't match). The Vargur vs Macharial is fairly well done, imo. I don't see any problems here really. Golem vs CNR... I'm not really sure honestly. I haven't flown a Golem. I would use cruise missiles simply because of the range of torps. It does get a bit less damage than the cnr, but it also gets a couple bonuses to help it apply damage much better than a cnr, so I think it would get the same or better hits than a cnr. I'm not talking eft damage, I'm talking about real in game damage.

Price. They're about the same. There is no reason a marauder should be getting less DPS as a whole.

Sensor Strength/Scan Res. There is no damn reason this should be so gimped. The ONLY advantage a marauder would have over a faction battleship is the 3 free high slots. The argument is to keep marauders out of PvP. But what's the point? Even with the three spare highs, they are not going to be one stop killing machines. This may have made since when they were introduced, but it doesn't now. With faction ships becoming more and more common, this point is now moot and needs removed.

I'm not really seeing the appeal of a Marauder at all, I can do lvl 4's in a Drake, a Tengu, or any of the Racial T1 Battleships (all of which can be refit and repurposed to Pvp), never tried a lvl 5, since they aren't in high sec don't think I ever will, just not a place I want to take a mission fit ship. So with all the choices I already have, why would I want to spend all that time training and money on a Marauder, which is purposefully gimped for Pvp so it can never be as flexible and isn't really that much better if at all in Pve.

Not really, no.
The Noctis does not impact on what the Marauders let you do: loot and salvage a bit while you blow through (or even blitz) mission after mission in rapid succession.

The Noctis lets you mass-loot/salvage a lot of missions, which is is useful if you have a lot of them being created at once and if they are not being blitzed. If you're doing it on a single character, it's still of doubtful use to go back and salvage a mission in a Noctis unless you're doing the mission itself very slowly (as in: meh-fitted T1 BS or BC). If you're can dish them out faster than that, you'll still earn more money skipping the loot.

The Noctis works wonderfully as clean-up crew for 4-5 other ships blowing through missions, but that is something quite different than what you do with a Marauder. With them, you have one ship doing this mission, and collecting random debris at the same time, as a bonus, without skipping a beat in the actual gobble-one-mission-after-another process.

If you blitz 4 missions, bookmark the wrecks before leaving each mission and return and salvage all 4 it is super fast in the noctis compared to salvaging in the marauder "on the go" which is also extremely taxing and slows your mission blitzing. 
I also mentioned that introducing medium and large tractor beams with longer ranges and velocities designed to be fitted on battleship sized hulls. So we can drop the tractor beam bonus for something that's actually useful

How about giving them a bonus to Large & Medium Turret Tracking Speed?

The Vargur is by far the best incursion BS for VGs. Why, you ask? The range of the Mach, the tracking of the Vindi, and just about the same dps as a Mach (more if you figure in the ability to apply it). Now I'm not saying flying a Vargur will get you a fleet... alot of FCs are clueless to how good this ship is, but when you get a smart FC they will snatch you up like no other.
This ship is also probably one of the best mission ships you can fly.

I never understood, why marauders arent mean for pvp? they are even more expensive than faction battleships, yet PVP wise their perfomance is far below even navy battleships.

it just dosnt makes sense that the high technology ship has weaker sensors than their T1 counterpart.

that and **** it, why we need a ******* ship for pve? make it just like the other ships a ship with a purpose defined by the one flying it.


they should get their tractor and salvage bonuses removed all together and actually become a real battleship instead of a carebear toy.

i would propose they change something like this:


remove salvage/tractor beam stuff, add 1 high slot and 1 mid slot.
simple as that, the ship will get a big increase of dps, and some tanking.

i mean a golem ******* costs 1 bill isk! yet a navy raven for half the price does MORE dps and has a sturdier tank.

they should actually become ships with a focus on nasty pvp. sort of like the Vindicator or bhaalgorn.

no one complains about those ships being OP, despite having MORE dps, tank, speed, than any marauder and being easier to fly.

People are having problems using both the T2 BS in PvP (except when dropping bazillion BO's)

Introduce a miniaturized siege module the T2 BS can use .. a module that is the same as the regular one but with all values cut by 50-66%. Could replace siege rep bonus with a quadrupling of EHP to make it "work", but should otherwise be perfect for them.
Capital hunters extraordinaire (especially now that SCs are gimped vs. sub-caps) with only 2.5mins commit time, one being self-propelled with lower damage and the other having damage advantage but needing a 'regular' mode of transport.

This.

CS was that last "real" T2 ship. After that they weren't given the T2 resists and they took from tank to excuse the additional "features". Everyone went Nightmare and machariel, they didn't have thier stats punished for thier role bonus. Ships that were supposed to be rare were farmed to standard issue. Better ships because thier Bonus system was based on T1, not T2 with T1 stats.

For me, Nightmare or Paladin. Nighmare has more structure, Armor, shield and better tanking overall.

I can fly both but I'd pick a Nightmare over a Paladin any day.

The root cause of Marauders being so terrible at their given role, is simply because we have T3's now, as before we didn't and they just happen to be better at shooting at things then the T2 battleships intended for PvE.

They've been outclassed, and are just something for bitter vets that actually trained Marauder V to whine about.