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CCP you want to fix low sec?? IF you REALLY want to then listen to me.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#81 - 2012-02-02 20:10:10 UTC
Posting in a reverse-blob whine thread.

(Seriously OP, I've seen *small* corps and alliances with better POS takedown fleets than that. How does 2 caps and 3 BS make you medium?)

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destiny2
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Looking for Trouble
#82 - 2012-02-02 20:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: destiny2
Liam Mirren wrote:
Dominixes should be removed from low sec, seriously. We started a roam with 3 frigates and 2 cruisers and we ran into a single dominix, A SINGLE DOMINIX. Want to guess the result? HE KILLED ALL OF US! Honestly, seriously. Dominixiiii are way to powerful to be able to fight in low sec because you can't kill them with a small group (as we've just proven). CCP should take care of those *******. Till then I'm cancelling all my 24 accounts.


3 frigates two cruisers t1 i presume. vrs 1 Domi. Prolly a domi pilot whos been flying his dominix since before eve was Multi colored graphics. knows how to use it.

but you lost 3 frigates and 2 cruisers = NO BIG LOSS IN ISK. Or. Maybe. work your skills a bit.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#83 - 2012-02-02 20:18:49 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Dominixes should be removed from low sec, seriously. We started a roam with 3 frigates and 2 cruisers and we ran into a single dominix, A SINGLE DOMINIX. Want to guess the result? HE KILLED ALL OF US! Honestly, seriously. Dominixiiii are way to powerful to be able to fight in low sec because you can't kill them with a small group (as we've just proven). CCP should take care of those *******. Till then I'm cancelling all my 24 accounts.


3 frigates two cruisers t1 i presume. vrs 1 Domi. Prolly a domi pilot whos been flying his dominix since before eve was Multi colored graphics. knows how to use it.

but you lost 3 frigates and 2 cruisers = NO BIG LOSS IN ISK. Or. Maybe. work your skills a bit.


Damn, Liam, you need to put fewer speed mods on your sarcasm, because it soared right over this dude's head.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#84 - 2012-02-02 20:38:31 UTC
Lord Xyr'dan wrote:
Smodab Ongalot wrote:
Lord Xyr'dan wrote:

But then these supers come in and screw it all up. They belong in hardcore EVE land AKA null. Where you can have hardcore Tech moon incomes and hardcore 1000 man fleet battles using your hardcore 30-60 billion ISK supers.



See, the problem here is that what you have stated is not a fact, but a matter of opinion.

I think we can agree that low-sec should be an area for small-medium sized groups of people doing their thing, and that null-sec is the place for large empire building groups to do their thing.

But that is a completely different matter than whether supers should be allowed to be offensive in low-sec or not.

In a fictional ideal world, only the small to medium sized groups living low-sec could use them in low-sec, but not the huge null sec alliances. But, that is completely unworkable, so obviously not a solution.

I guess what I'm saying is, if that super was just 1 super, you should have been able to either GTFO or kill it. So in that regard, you guys failed for loosing your caps.


But in reality, there were probably more supers waiting from wherever that one jumped from, waiting for him to call for help. Hell, maybe he was even bait for an escalation.

So yea, it sucks, but not a whole lot that can be done about it. I guess, you will have to , well, adapt or something.

edit:

Since you will inevitably ask how you could have done better, let me help.
1) Bring in a carrier at range and try to save the dread. Probably a bad idea, since WN. super prolly has friends.
2) Bring in logistics ships and try to keep the dread alive. You had 3 bs pilots, they should have logistics ships nearby, surely. Or you could carrier them over to a station, etc.
3) Bring a bumping ship. Maybe something with an oversized AB. Bump your dread the **** out of the way.
4) Don't leave your darn cyno up after cynoing in. Use something cheap and blow it up afterwards. No need for you to put a big bright spot on the map showing you had 1 up. You do know that solar system map shows active cyno's, right? If had a super and was bored, I would look for all the stationless systems with cynos up.



Yeah so one guy in this thread said for me to stay in siege and tank the Nyx. Why? I'll enentually run out of stront or he will bring in friends.

Yeah he probably did have mroe supers ready to drop so i could have done nothing.

The BSes were lost trying to take out the FB from the Nyx to save the caps. They managed to Save the Moros. The Rev ALMOST got out of the Nyx's point range before it popped. He was at 31 km trying to get out of the faction/officer point range. I did chat with the Super pilot a bit afterwards. He told me he had two points and he went for the Raven and dropped point on the Moros.

I had a GTFO cyno ready once the dreads came out of siege. Thats how the Moros got out. The cyno we lit to bring in the dreads was long gone. We had been working on the POS modules for a few loads of stront by then.



If you would have kept both dreads in siege mode he would not have broke your tank without help. you could have tried to take out the super before he took you out. you might have gotten him. he most likely had friends but they could not drop in without a cyno. Even if you still lose you would have at least had a good fight. An insured dread is not a huge loss.

Besides if it had been you that hot dropped a care bear mining fleet and wiped them out, this thread would be you bragging about how L33T you were.

I always find it funny how low sec PVPers constantly complain about having no PVP targets, when the only targets they are interested in are the ones they can not lose against. like a poorly defended carebear POS. As soon as they are fighting someone that can actually fight back or are on the losing side of a hot drop, they cry more than the care bears they so enjoy ganking.

You chose to play the PVP side of the game ganking every thing that pokes its head into your system, but you cry when you get ganked yourself. What goes around comes around. Which is even more funny considering the fact that 2 dreads with BS support set up for a POS bash should have no problem taking out a Nyx.

Look at this from the other side. If he had not hot dropped you, and you took out the POS, and the POS owner was here complaining about how it is so unfair that a couple dreads popped his POS for no reason other than LOLs. Dreads should not be allowed in low sec, What would you say to him?

Most likely something like, Suck it up care bear go back to highsec if you can not handle a few losses. Well I say the same to you. So you lost a fight in Low sec. Suck it up. PVP is not always about winning.

If you can not handle losing a fight then do not PVP. Go live in high sec with the care bears you so love ganking.
Natalinnux
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-02-02 20:43:48 UTC
> OP Finds a POS that belongs to some "pathetic mining allaince" in low sec
> OP comes to conclusion that this small, "pathetic mining alliance" has no cap ships to defend the tower
> OP fields 2 dreads and 3 BS to destroy the tower
> Hero Nyx pilot whelps OP's pathetic dread fleet and saves poor little mining alliance's POS
> OP cries on forums

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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-02-02 20:59:58 UTC
While OP is dumb and shouldn't whine (you are aware that supers CAN be used in lowsec, so you know the risk you're taking) he does have a valid point. Titans already can't DD in lowsec and there's not really any reason for fighter bombers to be usable there. Don't have any misconceptions about what the outcome of such a design change would be though. If you are no longer afraid of a super hotdrop in lowsec, well guess what, the next corp isn't either and they probably have a bigger capfleet than you. It's still a dog eat dog world, no matter what the biggest ship is.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-02-02 21:36:55 UTC
should supers have offense in lowsec ? nah. lowsec should be roams and maybe a cap ship or 2. not supers with support that is for 0.0

is it because you got rofl stomped with 5 whole ships? no your just bad at first ithought you had at least 10 battleships.. but you didnt.
Liam Mirren
#88 - 2012-02-02 21:54:46 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Dominixes should be removed from low sec, seriously. We started a roam with 3 frigates and 2 cruisers and we ran into a single dominix, A SINGLE DOMINIX. Want to guess the result? HE KILLED ALL OF US! Honestly, seriously. Dominixiiii are way to powerful to be able to fight in low sec because you can't kill them with a small group (as we've just proven). CCP should take care of those *******. Till then I'm cancelling all my 24 accounts.


3 frigates two cruisers t1 i presume. vrs 1 Domi. Prolly a domi pilot whos been flying his dominix since before eve was Multi colored graphics. knows how to use it.

but you lost 3 frigates and 2 cruisers = NO BIG LOSS IN ISK. Or. Maybe. work your skills a bit.


Damn, Liam, you need to put fewer speed mods on your sarcasm, because it soared right over this dude's head.


So it seems, so it seems.

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Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-02-03 00:56:13 UTC
And here I thought it was going to be another diatribe about moving Lvl 4s to Losec. You have exceeded my expectations sir, well done. Sorry about your losses, but it is Eve, after all.
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Ravenal
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-02-03 02:15:11 UTC
the only thing low sec needs is more of it... add 1000 more low sec systems.
Jawmare
Capital Fusion.
OnlyFleets.
#91 - 2012-02-03 03:43:00 UTC
Lord Xyr'dan wrote:

we kill plenty of pirates in low sec. We are good PvPers.


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Lord Xyr'dan wrote:


in comparison to the best PvPers out there I have a "medium killboard"

in comparison to null sec blobs we run in "medium sized gangs"

So we live in low sec which is the medium between the high sec and the null sec.

But then these supers come in and screw it all up. They belong in hardcore EVE land AKA null. Where you can have hardcore Tech moon incomes and hardcore 1000 man fleet battles using your hardcore 30-60 billion ISK supers.

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Galactic Rangers
#92 - 2012-02-04 13:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Lord Xyr'dan wrote:
So no one has managed to tell me why Supercaps operating in lowsec is a good idea or why we need it.


to get epic kills on badly run operations like yours Roll

Lord Xyr'dan wrote:
So this pathetic mining allaince in low sec will have its POS always there because no one can smash it fo fear of being hot dropped?


No No,, Not at all,, an FC who knows what he is doing with the right pilots will remove said pos, you are not that FC !

Lord Xyr'dan wrote:
How is this good for low sec and good for EVE?


already covered this one but what the hell maybe you need to read it twice. to get epic kills on badly run operations like yours Roll

Lord Xyr'dan wrote:
Please someone give a GOOD reason for supercaps to operate in low sec. There is none.


oh my GOD,, you need to read it a third time ? fair enough, to get epic kills on badly run operations like yoursShocked

OP tip your hat to the solo nyx pilot you wtfpwned you and your mates, if the shoe was on the other foot you'd have a smile from ear to ear and be posting a very different rant.

i bet having read back on all this you will be thinking, hmmm should have calmed down, had a think about it and said WOW, fair play to the solo nyx pilot, now lets learn from this and move on, perhaps even mail the pilot in the nyx and say WELL DONE SIR !
Honnete Du Decimer
#93 - 2012-02-04 14:03:45 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Leaving this here

Madposting because you weren't even slightly prepared for the task at hand won't help anything



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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#94 - 2012-03-05 07:41:43 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Lord Xyr'dan wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:

Op is a victim of such I bet, probably ran into one of these walls that had a super in it.

And yes my killboard is pathetic but I learned my lessons and majority of those kills are... well... predetermined in that no matter how I fitted it back then wouldnt have changed the results at all.



Yes and no Nova. We live in low sec, we kill plenty of pirates in low sec. We are good PvPers. We don't have a ton of capital experiance and have gotten hotdropped by RANDOM passing alts of null sec alliance as we bash a POS of some nobody corp. This is now two for two. Lost caps in both engagements.

What I am saying is I am a "medium player"

in comparison to the richest people of EVE, I have a "medium income"

in comparison to the best PvPers out there I have a "medium killboard"

in comparison to null sec blobs we run in "medium sized gangs"

So we live in low sec which is the medium between the high sec and the null sec.

But then these supers come in and screw it all up. They belong in hardcore EVE land AKA null. Where you can have hardcore Tech moon incomes and hardcore 1000 man fleet battles using your hardcore 30-60 billion ISK supers.



OP - Maybe they are not the POS's of a nobody corp. Maybe you are shooting at POS's belonging to alts of someone much bigger.

To complain that someone bigger griefs you while you grief a smaller corp by shooting their POS is kinda ironic.

You can't expect to blow other peoples stuff up without losing your own stuff.

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