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[Proposal] - Implement a chance drop-off on ECM
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Prometheus Bird
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-18 14:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Prometheus Bird
Nice and short the idea is that if a source of ECM has a very low chance of jamming (say, less than 1 in 10), it should have a 0 chance instead.

The logic for this is pretty simple:

It makes sense that specialised ECM EAFs/recons would be able to jam incredibly effectively.
Currently, a cruiser with decent sensor strength (say a sacrilege), with an ECCM module overheated, and ECCM implants, has a decent chance to get jammed by a flight of light/medium ECM drones in the time it takes to kill the drones or another cruiser (if the opponent is, say, recalling and redeploying the drones).

Basically, 1/10-1/15 seems to make sense, as: T1 frigates should be jammable by small ECM drones.
T1 and T2 frigates with ECCM or ECCM implants should not.
EAFs should not. etc. This seems to work up to larger ship sizes, too, all the way up to: A recon with 3 overheated eccms and eccm implants should be falcon immune!

As it stands, the counter DOES NOT WORK.

Edit: One more thing I wanted to add, I think this is probably the most significant change to improve solo PVP at the moment. In anything bigger than a frigate fight, there's a good chance the opponent will just ECM drone you if you start to win.

Having just one more pilot-- to hold tackle, means that this cannot happen. This is really quite unfair to soloists.
Goose99
#2 - 2012-01-18 16:02:03 UTC
Prometheus Bird wrote:
Whine & butthurtOops


I have a better idea, why don't CCP just give you free kms?Lol

ECM working as intended, no changes needed.
Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
#3 - 2012-01-18 17:59:53 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
ECM working as intended, no changes needed.

He's not asking for a bugfix, he's asking for a change of intention.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-18 18:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
I actually think ECM should just break lock, not stop you from taking any other action for 20 seconds. The relock time should be all the penalty that ECM grants.

Why even bother with any other forms of ewar? ECM > all other ewar as it stands atm.
Goose99
#5 - 2012-01-18 19:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
Ras Blumin wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
ECM working as intended, no changes needed.

He's not asking for a bugfix, he's asking for a change of intention.


The intention of ECM is to jam you. The intention of guns is to shoot you. You don't change others' intentions, htfuLol
kapuAB
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-29 21:17:47 UTC
ECM is the only e-war against you can't actively defend yourself. It just prevent you from playing with your own abilities.

I've recently been perma-jam by a griffin for about 7 minutes, while being in a tempest. After that experience, i've been surprised to make myself that reflexion : " you definitly can't go pvp if you don't have more jam than your target(s)". And then "how can this game could be reduced at this point ?" .
I often hear pilots relating fights, where they have been perma-jam, despite their overloaded eccm.

You can fight all other e-war. damp ? sensor booster. Neut ? cap-booster. tracking disrupt ? missiles. But ECM ? the fact it is based on probability, making it always possible even with 250 sensor strenght, and finally always happen, is a kind of exploit, in a game supposed balanced.

I dunno what ccp was expecting from this "e-war". But i'm sure they never wanted the final result, which is the i-win-button.

Small-scale fights are ruled by jam, nowadays and since a long-time. People are using and abusing of it. This is dangerously reducing the small-scale pvp at a simple factor.

Topics about ecm seems to get more and more rare, like if players are losing hope. Maybe they prefered to cancel their account.

It has always been easy to find out what is cheated or not in this game. When something is cheated, everyone use it. Nanoera, supercaps, dramiels, drakes, considering the good improvements we had on the last patches, i'm confident that one day ccp will re-consider the ecm mechanics.
Mongo Edwards
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-30 20:41:26 UTC
I don't really think that ECM is overpowered in small gang fights. When I roam with 5-6 friends we almost always found that damage drones are better in the drone bay unless we are expecting to run into recons/logi. ECM on a nonbonused hull is practically a waste of a slot as a tracking disruptor/web is a guaranteed effect as opposed to the chance of ECM. TBH I can't think of a single time when an FC ever suggested/requested that we fit ECM in a utility mid over a TD or web (occasionally remote ECCM if we are running with logi).
Prometheus Bird
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-02-03 00:47:35 UTC
It's not small gang that ECM really breaks, it's solo.

Proper solo, you know, the kind where you don't have a booster alt and a falcon alt and a scout?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-03 09:43:06 UTC
Prometheus Bird wrote:
It's not small gang that ECM really breaks, it's solo.

Proper solo, you know, the kind where you don't have a booster alt and a falcon alt and a scout?


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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#10 - 2012-02-03 12:23:54 UTC
Tears about solo PVP are cute.
Vasya Kosyakov
X-Exclusion-X
#11 - 2012-02-06 10:39:14 UTC
ECM Works as it should - Stop crying about it and fly with friends.........

You have big guns and big tank........ the ecm specialist ship is usually paper thin and has no dps... who's the one taking the risks here!

Grow up and stop being babies....... Why don't you ask all the pvp foes to hang on a sec while you lock them up and shoot first....

Get your own drones on the ecm boat and kill it or scare it off....