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New idea to fix bounties?
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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-02 02:18:18 UTC
I don't know if this one has been brought up before. Being as it is a pretty simple idea it probably has. The idea is to base the bounties received off of the the minimum allowed clone for the character with the bounty.

If the character with the bounty on his head needs a 10 million ISK clone at minimum to cover all of his skills then when he is killed a 10 mill bounty would be paid out to the killer. This would scale up with the amount of SP the player has obviously so the longer the player plays the high the bounty will be. Also if that player has a 100 mill in bounties total placed against him...bounties will keep being paid out to his killers in 10 mill increments until that "pot" is empty.

The idea is to prevent a player from using an alt to pod himself and get the bounty. That is the biggest broken part of the bounty system right now. Too easy to get around the system. If we make it impossible to make a profit then they will be less inclined to pod themselves. Obviously not worth it at all if they have implants.

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Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-02 04:14:10 UTC
This is a pretty decent idea, actually, as if the player wants to collect that 100mil bounty on his alt, he's gotta kill himself x times. Certainly a step in the right direction as far as I can tell.

I wouldn't mind seeing the bounty system expanded to allow for payouts on ship kills, not just pods. This'd make pvp more lucrative in general.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#3 - 2012-02-02 04:56:37 UTC
see my sig ;)

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Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-02 05:22:43 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
see my sig ;)

Awesome!

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-02 13:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Bienator II wrote:
see my sig ;)

I like his idea better. It is quite a bit more complicated though.

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#6 - 2012-02-02 15:35:27 UTC
its basically the same as your idea, just applied to everything involved (ship + pod)

its always a good sign when multiple people come up with the same idea at the same time

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Griptus
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-02 19:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Griptus
I don't like the idea of only getting part of a bounty. And this can still be exploited by not buying a new clone and taking the SP death penalty instead.

Allow full bounty payouts but charge the criminal character with the bill. Do not allow them to respawn until the bill is settled. All assets are locked, all market orders and contracts are locked, the training queue is locked, and chat and email are offline. Anything that a 'dead' character shouldn't be able to do while they are 'dead' is disabled. And do not allow 'dead' characters to be terminated/recycled/removed from an account.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

You could put a bounty on someone...pod them and get your money back and now that character is stuck in a station with a billion isk bill they can't pay off.

Simple solution - you can only place a bounty on a character who has committed a criminal offense against you.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-02 19:23:29 UTC
Griptus wrote:
I don't like the idea of only getting part of a bounty. And this can still be exploited by not buying a new clone and taking the SP penalty instead.

Allow full bounty payouts but charge the criminal character with the bill. Do not allow them to respawn until the bill is settled. All assets are locked, all market orders and contracts are locked, the training queue is locked, and chat and email are offline. Anything that a 'dead' character shouldn't be able to do while they are 'dead' is disabled. And 'dead' characters cannot be terminated/recycled/removed from an account.

Holy cow...and what happens when the character has no ISK to pay the bounty on his head? And why exactly is the criminal character being fined? That could be exploited far worse than the original idea. No...the OP has this one right for sure. If they wan't to take the SP penalty and pod themselves for a little extra cash then so be it. Someone can lose A LOT of SP that way. I think it is actually a good idea.

Heck I would say if you have a bounty on your head the SP penalty for being podded without a clone should increase.

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Griptus
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-02-02 19:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Griptus
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

Holy cow...and what happens when the character has no ISK to pay the bounty on his head?

Then the player must 'give money' from one of their alts. Roll

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

And why exactly is the criminal character being fined?

uuum... You really don't see a connection here? What?

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

That could be exploited far worse than the original idea.

Give me one example, just one. Straight

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

Heck I would say if you have a bounty on your head the SP penalty for being podded without a clone should increase.

Drop them all the way back to the 48k SP they started off with. Smile
Lucjan
Deutzer Freiheit
#10 - 2012-02-02 19:40:20 UTC
Implement something please, don't care what it is as long as it's a decent solution.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-02-02 19:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Griptus wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

Holy cow...and what happens when the character has no ISK to pay the bounty on his head?

Then the player must 'give money' from one of their alts. Roll

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

And why exactly is the criminal character being fined?

uuum... You really don't see a connection here? What?

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

That could be exploited far worse than the original idea.

Give me one example, just one. Straight

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

Heck I would say if you have a bounty on your head the SP penalty for being podded without a clone should increase.

Drop them all the way back to the 48k SP they started off with. Smile

1. Not everybody runs alts and it is unfair to expect them to.
2. If you fine the criminal then it is no longer a bounty. It is a fine.
3. You could put a bounty on someone...pod them and get your money back and now that character is stuck in a station with a billion isk bill they can't pay off.

Look...your idea is bad. Just bad. Sorry but it would never work.

Hey look at the new 2 week old character! Lets put a 50 million ISK bounty on his head and pod him! HAHA! Welcome to EvE scrub! Have fun getting out of station!

Yeah...no.

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Griptus
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-02-02 20:07:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Griptus
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

1. Not everybody runs alts and it is unfair to expect them to.

If all you have is one char, and you make him a criminal, and he gets podded and then locked, there is nothing unfair with forcing the player to create an alt so that he/she/it can eventually recover their main.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

2. If you fine the criminal then it is no longer a bounty. It is a fine.

What difference does it make? The bounty hunter gets the bounty, no extra money is created, and the exploit is eliminated.

Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

3. You could put a bounty on someone...pod them and get your money back and now that character is stuck in a station with a billion isk bill they can't pay off.

Simple solution - you can only place a bounty on a character who has committed a criminal offense against you.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-02 20:11:05 UTC
Being a criminal and piracy is a profession though. This would entirely nerf that to oblivion. I think piracy is far too easy as a profession and does need a nerf but not to the point that it is almost not viable.

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Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-02-02 21:41:14 UTC
This doesn't fix anything. We need killrights that can be sold/transferred, and/or actual bounty contracts that can be accepted, give you killrights for x number of days, and then pay you. Creator of contract must approve who accepts the contract.


-1 for the idea from the person who brought you "forgetting" (Thanks Tidurious for that post, that's one of my favorite lines on the forums right now).
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-02 22:22:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Dimitri Jackal wrote:
This doesn't fix anything. We need killrights that can be sold/transferred, and/or actual bounty contracts that can be accepted, give you killrights for x number of days, and then pay you. Creator of contract must approve who accepts the contract.


-1 for the idea from the person who brought you "forgetting" (Thanks Tidurious for that post, that's one of my favorite lines on the forums right now).

Being a troll who is a fan of yet another troll is fun huh?

This has nothing to do with selling and transferring killrights. I am not even disagreeing that this shouldn't be an option. In fact I supported the proposal for sellable/tradeable killrights. But killrights also have nothing to do with bounties. This is about fixing bounties to make them worth it without allowing the criminal to collect and profit on his own bounty.

0/10 for the failed troll attempt.

Seriously...if you don't like an idea of mine that is fine. Don't drag it around the forums.

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