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Rixiu
PonyTek
#21 - 2012-02-01 14:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rixiu
Gilbert Intaki wrote:

Apologies for reposting this (sanitised), but I would like to ask you to respond.


When are you people going to learn to do these patch days properly!?

For the one millionth time: Estimate how long it is going to take, and then DOUBLE IT!!!
That way you avoid wasting people's time (yet again), and of course you can then only surprise on the upside.

Why do you insist on making yourself look completely incompetent... EVERY ... SINGLE ... TIME!??
What exactly is the logic underpinning the current approach?

Could I have an answer please? I really am very curious about this...


Who's the fool? The ones who make the faulty predictions every time or the ones who believe those predictions every time?

Double the predictions yourself? It's not that hard tbh... And give the ops team some cred, it's obvious that every time they try to deploy a patch something breaks that needs fixing which says a lot of how a bad state eve is code wise.
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-02-01 14:37:33 UTC
Rixiu wrote:
Gilbert Intaki wrote:

Apologies for reposting this (sanitised), but I would like to ask you to respond.


When are you people going to learn to do these patch days properly!?

For the one millionth time: Estimate how long it is going to take, and then DOUBLE IT!!!
That way you avoid wasting people's time (yet again), and of course you can then only surprise on the upside.

Why do you insist on making yourself look completely incompetent... EVERY ... SINGLE ... TIME!??
What exactly is the logic underpinning the current approach?

Could I have an answer please? I really am very curious about this...


Who's the fool? The ones who make the faulty predictions every time or the ones who believe those predictions every time?

Double the predictions yourself? It's not that hard tbh...



Thanks for the bump
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#23 - 2012-02-01 14:39:53 UTC
Hey, look at it this way, you got to enjoy the forums during your long wait.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Orion Guardian
#24 - 2012-02-01 14:41:13 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
Rixiu wrote:
Gilbert Intaki wrote:

Apologies for reposting this (sanitised), but I would like to ask you to respond.


When are you people going to learn to do these patch days properly!?

For the one millionth time: Estimate how long it is going to take, and then DOUBLE IT!!!
That way you avoid wasting people's time (yet again), and of course you can then only surprise on the upside.

Why do you insist on making yourself look completely incompetent... EVERY ... SINGLE ... TIME!??
What exactly is the logic underpinning the current approach?

Could I have an answer please? I really am very curious about this...


Who's the fool? The ones who make the faulty predictions every time or the ones who believe those predictions every time?

Double the predictions yourself? It's not that hard tbh...



Thanks for the bump


Oh well been there done that....if there is one patch in history where no self important jerk posts about how bad it is too have a longer downtime due to a patch....I'll quit eve for sure...


@CCP Nullarbor: I liked that one very nice although it fed the troll as much as I did ^^
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#25 - 2012-02-01 14:42:01 UTC
Quote:
Thanks for taking this seriously.
You positively reek of professionalism....


I too am shocked that your whine about internet spaceships being unavailable for slightly longer than anticipated isn't being taken seriously.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-02-01 14:49:52 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.


Thanks for taking this seriously.
You positively reek of professionalism....


18 minutes is a big deal? It is hard to take anyone seriously who complains about such a minor issue. In fact, you must be new here... EVE used to sometimes overrun the downtime by days when things went really bad. EVE also used to have patch deployment downtimes of 8-10 hours. Compared to that, these days the patches take no time at all.

I could see a case for complaint if the downtime overran by 3 hours past planned time or something but this is nothing.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-01 14:54:55 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.


Thanks for taking this seriously.
You positively reek of professionalism....


Your lack of humour may have something to do with the problem...
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-02-01 14:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbert Intaki
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
Thanks for taking this seriously.
You positively reek of professionalism....


I too am shocked that your whine about internet spaceships being unavailable for slightly longer than anticipated isn't being taken seriously.


I know you're trying to troll me, but I am going to bite.

I don't care how many extended down-times there are.

I don't even care how long they are.


I would just like a better (perhaps even a slightly more conservative) estimate of it's duration.
In addition, I would really love to know exactly what the internal CCP plan is on patch day.
Do they just go "Oh well - we'll see how it goes", or do they actually consider inflating the time estimate?

Call it... 'curiocity' - something you fanbois seem to have an alergic reaction to.
Jim Pooley
Swiss Army Spoons
#29 - 2012-02-01 15:04:05 UTC
You had to post your whine in a new thread because you were ignored in the official thread?
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-02-01 15:06:19 UTC
Jim Pooley wrote:
You had to post your whine in a new thread because you were ignored in the official thread?



No, I was just concerned it might get drowned out by laughable attempts at flaming from bored angst-filled pseudo-intellectual teenagers like you.
Case in point...
Execer
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-02-01 15:17:52 UTC
Whilst to some very small amount I agree they could up the estimates, I don't understand why you just cant do this yourself with your own time!?!

CCP say DT will be 1 hour. You plan for 2. Chances are the servers will be back up in two hours, if not, you won't be the only one complaining...
Ni'kuah Demo
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-02-01 15:30:53 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.


Thanks for taking this seriously.
You positively reek of professionalism....


Your incoherent ramblings regarding a non-issue is not being taken seriously? This is an outrage!
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-02-01 15:34:10 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
Jim Pooley wrote:
You had to post your whine in a new thread because you were ignored in the official thread?



No, I was just concerned it might get drowned out by laughable attempts at flaming from bored angst-filled pseudo-intellectual teenagers like you.
Case in point...


Of course the rant like shouting and demanding you opened with is normally associated with mature behaviour?

Seriously, you could have used those 18 mins to change your diaper rather than simply have a tantrum.
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-02-01 15:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbert Intaki
Execer wrote:
Whilst to some very small amount I agree they could up the estimates, I don't understand why you just cant do this yourself with your own time!?!

CCP say DT will be 1 hour. You plan for 2. Chances are the servers will be back up in two hours, if not, you won't be the only one complaining...



Yes, that would make sense, but unfortunately that's not really the issue here.

The issue is that CCP seem to always think that things are going to go exactly as planned, and then it seems to come as a complete surprise to them when they don't. They then have to extend the DT, and after a little while they have to extend it again, and so on and so forth - each time wasting another 20 minutes(times number of players looking to log on).
If they just assumed that things WON'T go to plan (as most people in life do - if they're sensible!), then we wouldn't have to collectively waste quite so much of our time.

And if you're wondering why I don't just go off for 3 hours, thus increasing the likelyhood that the server will be back up when I come back, it's simply because when DT arrives I am almost always in the middle of something (like a POS siege....)

All I am asking is that CCP try to behave in a slightly more sensible, service minded, customer orientated manner.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#35 - 2012-02-01 15:50:14 UTC
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.


I LOL'd at this at work - stop it! P

Idea OP, why not just add 30 minutes to the official estimate to create your very own personal patch time estimate?
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-02-01 16:00:33 UTC
In the interest fo adding something constructive to this thread:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Downtime

notes therin how to help survive it, some technical, some emotional.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-02-01 16:01:54 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.


I LOL'd at this at work - stop it! P

Idea OP, why not just add 30 minutes to the official estimate to create your very own personal patch time estimate?


I am beginning to think that people (that would be you), intentionally don't read the thread before spewing out their misconceived opinions in suffocating quantities. I find it quite amusing actually, and certainly proof that the average forum visitor is bit of a knob.

In case you're trolling, then No - I won't bite this time. You'll have to do better than that.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-02-01 16:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Dunbar Hulan
Gilbert Intaki wrote:

Apologies for reposting this (sanitised), but I would like to ask you to respond.


When are you people going to learn to do these patch days properly!?

For the one millionth time: Estimate how long it is going to take, and then DOUBLE IT!!!
That way you avoid wasting people's time (yet again), and of course you can then only surprise on the upside.

Why do you insist on making yourself look completely incompetent... EVERY ... SINGLE ... TIME!??
What exactly is the logic underpinning the current approach?

Could I have an answer please? I really am very curious about this...


Easy Tiger, I'm sure your anxious to get back into the swing of things, but these boys do what they can, when they can. They're not supermen, so what if downtime is extended ? Go outside, watch Manchester United, grab a beer, check your investments, dress up as Darth Vader or "The Machine" and try chat roulette.

 ** Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius**
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#39 - 2012-02-01 16:41:08 UTC
I fully expect you to post a complaint the next time down time is completed ahead of schedule (as happens frequently).

I'm sure it will be given the same number of pity responses this thread did, possibly more, which should satisfy your need for attention even more completely. Or does that need never really go away...

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#40 - 2012-02-01 16:41:39 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
CCP Nullarbor wrote:
You have to cut the ops team some slack, trolling the player base with made up downtime estimates is the only fun they get around here.


Thanks for taking this seriously.
You positively reek of professionalism....


In your face Gilbert!