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BeBoPp
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Wreckflix and chill
#21 - 2011-09-17 22:41:11 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
tsk tsk, Akita. I'm was certain that you of all people would be talking about opportunity cost (that whole "minerals I mine are free" thing).


Let's play a silly little game.

Pretend I'm on a salary in excess of $1M/year. I own my house. In fact, I own many investment properties. I have shares in multiplexes. I have a beach house on both coasts, a villa in Italy, a few nice cars, plenty of clothes and staff to cook, clean and care for me.

So what do I do with my spare cash? I could buy more houses. I could buy more clothes. I could hire more staff. But I have enough of all those - any more and I'd never actually use them.

So I spend money on bling instead.

Now let's say you're a capsuleer with billions of ISK lying around. You make more ISK than you spend. What do you do with the spare ISK? You could give it away, but why? Instead, why not spend it on bling?

Finally, let's all get over the use of the word "micro transaction" to describe the Noble Exchange which is a "virtual goods" store. It's not meant to be cheap, in fact it's intended to cater to the obscenely rich. Not you, not me, just the obscenely rich.

Akita T is spot on, as usual.


+1 for that.
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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-09-17 22:52:24 UTC
i bought a slow cooker for 30 dollars the other day and made pulled pork....the meat was 6 dollars the beer was 3 and the BBQ sauce was 3.

i could make pulled pork 3 more times and STILL it would be cheaper then a monocle

I am so ******* glad im not stupid enough to buy a monocle.

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Fawcks
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-09-17 22:59:37 UTC
A brand new PS3. (I traded in some stuff towards the cost...but still :D)
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-09-17 23:03:51 UTC
Donation to my retirement fund.

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Yadira Kerr
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Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-09-17 23:11:41 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Finally, let's all get over the use of the word "micro transaction" to describe the Noble Exchange which is a "virtual goods" store. It's not meant to be cheap, in fact it's intended to cater to the obscenely rich. Not you, not me, just the obscenely rich.


If it WERE bling then your statement would hold but so far I've seen nothing I'd want to have. Being exclusive comes from quality and quality, most of the time, comes at a steep price. Just being expensive isn't quality or bling, that's nothing more than silly.

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#26 - 2011-09-17 23:38:56 UTC
Yadira Kerr wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Finally, let's all get over the use of the word "micro transaction" to describe the Noble Exchange which is a "virtual goods" store. It's not meant to be cheap, in fact it's intended to cater to the obscenely rich. Not you, not me, just the obscenely rich.


If it WERE bling then your statement would hold but so far I've seen nothing I'd want to have. Being exclusive comes from quality and quality, most of the time, comes at a steep price. Just being expensive isn't quality or bling, that's nothing more than silly.

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Toni Kaye
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-09-18 00:45:02 UTC
I bought some plex with ISK. I redeemed plex for AUR. I bought a jacket, a skirt and a pair of nice boots.

And like all women, I did not buy it for your sake, or CCP's sake, or the plex holders wealth or any such drivel.

I bought them for ME.

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MUSE LLP
#28 - 2011-09-18 01:06:07 UTC
Archy Mayaki wrote:
I always though that NEX stuff could be acquired through PLEX / in-game currency.



We can do the list that way too:

A fully fitted battleship
A pos
and so on...

Sure, a battleship with thousands of crew and a pair of pants cost the same, makes tons of sense. Do the crew have their own pants? Can I confiscate them and sell them?

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Raid'En
#29 - 2011-09-18 01:27:05 UTC
Akita T wrote:
I have craploads of ISK.
So... CCP's MTs cost me... a whooping ZERO.

strange, before Akita T would have been the one to explain why this make no sense
Psychophantic
#30 - 2011-09-18 03:47:28 UTC
This topic is now how many NEX items you could buy for the price of another luxury car.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#31 - 2011-09-18 03:47:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Raid'En wrote:
strange, before Akita T would have been the one to explain why this make no sense

It makes sense in context.
Namely, for me (and people in a similar situation) and for this particular situation.
As already re-explained a few posts earlier Blink
When you have so much ISK you can't even fully leverage it (just look at all that unused ISK in my wallet), and when you refuse to try to sell it for cash (because it's against the EULA), a sizable portion of that ISK has very little (or almost no) value for you.

P.S. I have not purchased even a single NEX item yet, neither from the store itself nor with ISK from the market - the current NEX items hold even less value for me than the nearly negligible-value, unused, idle ISK in my wallet, so I'd rather hold on to the ISK instead.
But as soon as something nice shows up in the NEX, you can bet I'll be all over it. It just hasn't happened yet.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#32 - 2011-09-18 05:28:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Yadira Kerr wrote:
If it WERE bling then your statement would hold but so far I've seen nothing I'd want to have. Being exclusive comes from quality and quality, most of the time, comes at a steep price. Just being expensive isn't quality or bling, that's nothing more than silly.


There are plenty of folks in my town who drive the most hideously ugly 4x4 trucks available, not because they need 4x4 trucks, not because they think that truck looks nice, but simply because that 4x4 truck is hideously expensive and everyone knows it. That is the kind of bling I'm talking about: ostentation and conspicuous consumption.

Now if anything in the NeX was actually attractive, I'd be one of the folks wishing that NeX items were just a little cheaper. I'm never going to be one of the folks claiming that the items are stupidly priced. While they're not game-affecting, I'll watch people going past with NeX items thinking, "wow, I wish I had that much ISK to throw around."

When I use the word "bling" I mean "symbols of wealth which I adorn myself with to make you jealous." I certainly don't mean "jewellery" or "fine clothing" otherwise I would have used the words "jewellery" or "fine clothing".

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Alxea
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#33 - 2011-09-18 07:57:54 UTC
You pay for eve?! O_o I don't, I play for free because other people pay my sub because I use plex. XD
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Khimi Harar
#34 - 2011-09-18 08:18:43 UTC
quickshot89 wrote:
Archy Mayaki wrote:
I always though that NEX stuff could be acquired through PLEX / in-game currency.


It can, people just dont seem to understand this concept.



And other people don't understand that somebody somewhere is still paying for it.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2011-09-18 09:18:50 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
Things that cost less than CCP's Micro Transactions

Well, let's see... I can't sell ISK for cash (not without risking a ban), but I can buy AUR with it (indirectly), and I have craploads of ISK.
So... CCP's MTs cost me... a whooping ZERO.
Not much else is that cheap.


I'd like to hire you, at the amount per hour you clearly value your time at, to sort my rice grains by size.

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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
#36 - 2011-09-18 10:07:19 UTC
All the people who are saying it is free are missing the point. It may be free to you in terms of an ISK / NEX conversion, but as pointed out above the NEX items can only come into existence through the destruction of AUR, and AUR can only come into existence through the destruction of PLEX, and PLEX can only come into existence through the use of real money. Therefore that NEX item cost someone, somewhere, real life cash.

What that means is that CCP have made a NEX sale for RL cash. It doesn't matter what happens to the NEX item after it has been created, because it is the act of creation that costs real money. So the list is entirely valid.




And to answer the OP, from a recent experience I had, a new PSU :(
Kerppe Krulli
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-09-18 12:02:17 UTC
Khul Drukath wrote:
All the people who are saying it is free are missing the point. It may be free to you in terms of an ISK / NEX conversion, but as pointed out above the NEX items can only come into existence through the destruction of AUR, and AUR can only come into existence through the destruction of PLEX, and PLEX can only come into existence through the use of real money. Therefore that NEX item cost someone, somewhere, real life cash.

What that means is that CCP have made a NEX sale for RL cash. It doesn't matter what happens to the NEX item after it has been created, because it is the act of creation that costs real money. So the list is entirely valid.




And to answer the OP, from a recent experience I had, a new PSU :(


This is why CCP did it this way. It is uncontested that the EVE population is dying and tapering offer and therefore less people will use PLEX for their sub. So how do you keep your PLEX revenue going? You create AUR which forces players to again buy PLEX to makeup for the missing subs and now they created both an "isk hole" while maintaining their dependency on PLEX sales despite the failing population.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#38 - 2011-09-18 12:19:12 UTC
If you want to grind that axe just that little bit more then sure, nex items are evil and worth a lot of real money.

Could some of you perhaps apply a bit of logic though please. You REALLY think that CCP would place an item worth more than my monthly mobile phone bill in the nex store without actually targeting it at the obscenely space ISK rich? Are you really that obtuse you want to believe CCP are that a) stupid and b) money grabbing.

It's like CCP are suddenly comedy Disney villains twirling their moustaches and stroking their James Bond villain cats.

The mistake was not launching the nex store when people could interact. People buy bling... look at guildwars. A game where getting max level **** and characters took a day. Yet people spent ridiculous amount of plat for bling items only. Which was also RMT'd like any other game as well as grinded for using in game hours grinding.

The nex items are aimed soley at those with ISK to burn and the reason aurum even exists is because you HAVE to buy a plex to do it. This way you don't just buy a **** tonne of BOT isk from an RMT seller and buy your shizzle without CCP getting something back.

Sigh, I don't even know why I'm posting this. those that agree will say +1 to the billions of posts like it and those that don't will trolololol because they aren't going to change no matter what is written.





Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#39 - 2011-09-18 15:18:45 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
I'd like to hire you, at the amount per hour you clearly value your time at, to sort my rice grains by size.

So, you mean, you want to hire me to sort rice grains by size for 2 bil ISK/hour ? I'd gladly take that deal if that would be allowed by the EULA. Barring that, ok, I'll do that for, oh, say, 60$/hour (pretty hefty discount right there). Do we have a deal ? You still want to hire me to sort your rice grains ? No ? Why not ?

Some people earn ISK with extremely little effort, and already have more than they would ever realistically know what to do with and it's just sitting there ? Let me put it another way : I have so much ISK that making ONLY modest amounts of additional ISK has ceased being worth ANY of my time, and would probably not be very bothered if I bought a supercarrier and corresponding pilot and lost it the very next day.
See, that's the funny part - ISK might be worth the same amount of ISK to everybody (duh, talk about stating the obvious) and even a similar amount of RL cash (not quite but close due to USD/EUR thing -- and only risk-free one way, reverse at far worse exchange rate and with high risk of obliteration), but it's NOT worth the same amount of TIME from person to person.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#40 - 2011-09-18 15:27:51 UTC
Khul Drukath wrote:
All the people who are saying it is free are missing the point. It may be free to you in terms of an ISK / NEX conversion, but as pointed out above the NEX items can only come into existence through the destruction of AUR, and AUR can only come into existence through the destruction of PLEX, and PLEX can only come into existence through the use of real money. Therefore that NEX item cost someone, somewhere, real life cash.

Nobody is contesting that part.

Quote:
What that means is that CCP have made a NEX sale for RL cash. It doesn't matter what happens to the NEX item after it has been created, because it is the act of creation that costs real money. So the list is entirely valid.

Ah, see, this is where you go too fast and miss the important part.

Yes, INDIRECTLY, somebody had to pay some RL cash at some time in order to enable a NEX item to be created now.
Keyword, indirectly. You DO NOT pay cash and the item materializes.
You pay cash, some specific intermediary item with other possible uses materializes, then you have to choose to convert that item into a different currency, THEN and only then can a new NEX item be created.

You'd be tempted to say that it's the same thing, that there's really no difference.
But you'd be wrong.

Know what ELSE you have to indirectly pay cash to CCP in order to create in EVE ?
ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE TOO.
Barring stuff created by trial accounts, somebody has to pay CCP real-life money in order to keep the account active (and more money to keep more accounts active) in order to generate everything else that exists in the game, by engaging in gameplay activities.
The only real difference is that for one the "cash vs in-game-item" exchange rate is fixed (NEX), while the other one is variable depending on average player skill at obtaining said item in a certain amount of time.

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