Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have nothing against suicide ganking, however; there is currently nothing the victims can do to retaliate against the gankers.

They can take precautions, such as limiting the value of what they haul etc. but they can't hit back in a meaningful way against someone who is willing to hide behind some disposable alt losing their ship to see you lose yours.

What I propose is the ability to haul decoy cargo. When scanned down it would look like real cargo but when popped all that drops is space junk.

I for one would be more than happy to slow boat from one end of the universe to another, losing haulers to drink up bitter ganker tears. According to the gankers that is the real reason of eve right? Drinking up the tears of others?

I've never been the victim of a suicide gank but i'd be more than willing to be one Hell I'd even be willing to sacrifice the occasional freighter for this cause.

Another quick thought.

The wrecks of anyone Concorded should belong to the victims of the suicide gank and their fleet. In adittion a new bounty system could be put in place so the the victim of the suicide gank would get a restitution bounty based on the suicide gankers ships used.

Obviously the restitution system would have to be fine tuned but it should set up to be good enough to be break even against most suicide ganks.

This way, a successful suicide gank = gankers profit and a successful gankbait = gankbaiter profit.

better way to get would-be ganker tears ... survive long enough for them to get CONCORDOKKEN.

obviously, if they brought a fleet that could alpha you, you're out of luck. However, most of the time, I've seen gankers thwarted with nothing more than a heavily tanked badger or itty 5, because (wait for it)

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They don't expect a tanked industrial.

Because removing insurance wasn't enough?

i once experimented with named bookmarks that i draged into my cargo. apart from the icons, they look the part in the cargo hold, but alas, their names didn't show up on the scan, only the item type.

I'm all for ganking and believe its a perfectly legit part of the game, but i would get much satisfaction from watching their ships melt under concord heat all for a few cardboard cutouts of valuable stuff :)

even those with an insta undock? or do you mean the nubs who try aligning to Perimeter right at the undock?

Insurance was never going to effect the outcome of profitability of Suicide ganking. This was discerned prior to the change.

And there are gankers in the community claiming to earn a plex worth in an afternoon from the activity. Not profitable enough for you.

Please ask how the minium wage miner endangers that? And yet if you ask for mining to be more competative to help replace ship losses, the ganking communities arse tighten up as a result and it starts to flow from other holes. Which is odd really, as if the pinatas could be replaced more quickly it would help with the ganker income.

Also other changes where a significant improvement to the ganker's repetoire. Dessies where improved, Tier 3 BCs with large alpha guns introduced to replace more expensive BS use.

And yet the sucide ganker still hides behind broken conflict mechanics or abuses NPC and coporation systems to avoid conflict or retaliation. I wonder how many times a ganker has jumped in a newb ship when actually chased down by a miner with teeth. Heaven forbid you might have to one day fight something that actually shoots back.

Yep obviously suicide gankers have it too hard, get real.

Oh I completely agree. For them it's far easier to run to the forums and whine about game mechanics that have existed by design from day one.

That would involve risk and effort

Practice of commonly NPC corp affiliated suicide gankers is that they hide in the station or jump into a newb ship. Some are simply occasional alts as opposed to full blown mains and just log off. They're are very few suicide gankers that don't simply use the mechanics and frustartion to demoralise their victims.

Or the obvious discrepency that due to an industrial player having to invest in their related skills they won't on average be able to compete with a purely PvP focussed player.

There are reported instances of people being able to retaliate with kill rights however.

Suppose if they are "camped" one way or another they aren't suicide ganking, but neither is the industrial earning.

However, I take it from this that the "so called" PvP focussed player simply wants to retain the status quo with broken systems as an ongoing benefit for avoidance of confrontation that has remained unfixed for ages?