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Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-01-31 21:09:44 UTC
Hilarious. Let's see how many worthwhile corps and alliances are prepared to let CCP see their dirty secrets.

Answer.
None.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-01-31 21:14:00 UTC
JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR!

A corp forum I can get banned from Eve from if I decide to use a racial or homo erotic epiphet.
Yeah, no thanks. I like my N-words and my F-words. CCP don't.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-01-31 21:14:51 UTC
So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).

That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2012-01-31 21:22:17 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).

That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting.


But they promise not to, so it's ok.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-01-31 21:39:54 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).

That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting.


But they promise not to, so it's ok.


They promised that their forum staff wouldn't be reading it. They didn't say anything about marketing. Not saying this is a bad thing. CCP is probably the only major actor in the EvE universe that is not running a spy network at this point.

On the other hand there is a definite plus side that it keep corps forums clearly in game. That drastically reduces the possibilities about RL complications from metagaming. I think that is a very good thing.
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-01-31 21:45:33 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Zowie Powers wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).

That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting.


But they promise not to, so it's ok.


They promised that their forum staff wouldn't be reading it. They didn't say anything about marketing. Not saying this is a bad thing. CCP is probably the only major actor in the EvE universe that is not running a spy network at this point.

On the other hand there is a definite plus side that it keep corps forums clearly in game. That drastically reduces the possibilities about RL complications from metagaming. I think that is a very good thing.


It just reminds me of the PL forum dump where Mazz "MAD AS FCUK" Mazziliu was getting people's RL details then promising not to use those details for anything unless she deemed it important enough.

Yeah let's all try to work out how important something has to be in Eve before you think it's ok for a crazy internet girl to threaten your children.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#87 - 2012-01-31 22:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Funny that people think that CCP couldn't spy on their eve-mails, chat channels and what else already from a server side should the need arise. Roll
Or that they think themselves so important that CCP would care enough to keep tabs on them.

You decide if it's; pride, stupidity or just being paranoid ?

Anyway we need these forums because I don't really see how you're going to connect on regular a phpBB-forum server with a gaming console unless it has a web browser that actually works, not to mention that CCP will likely have to have a some kind of control over in game interactions.
With a joined forum CCP can provide an in game system for accessing forums for DUST players, not to mention that starting corps benefit from the forums as well.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#88 - 2012-01-31 22:24:05 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
......

Did I overlook something? Let me know if you've got further questions and I'll check in later. Right now my stomach is trying to convince me it's dinner time and It's making some pretty solid arguments.


Posts editable by anyone in the corp, for say a sign up sheet. Interested members can add their name to the original post, rather than forcing the OP to read through a bunch of replies to fill out the sign up sheet.

In fact this plus suggestions from others implies that whenever someone starts a thread, they be given a few options:

[ ] This is an announcement, and no one may reply to it
[ ] Only directors may reply
[ ] Anyone may reply (default)
[ ] Anyone may reply, anyone may edit the original post

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Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
#89 - 2012-01-31 22:39:29 UTC
I think this is a good addition! Myself and others have been suggesting it for years! I don't think this type of system is good for just small corps either. I spent a lot of time in a major alliance/coalition and one of the biggest pains of being part of it was having to deal with the different authentication schemes and tools, many of which just existed to verify you were a member of said alliance. Having a system that uses the same authentication scheme as the game does, complete with ties to in-game roles, is really ideal for many situations. Not to mention it takes the burden of hosting and sometimes coding off of the players. Many other tools exist on the net to do these things but players shouldn't have to rely on them to have a successful game-based experience.

CCP Guard wrote:

- Letting non-corp members into the forum is a suggestion some have mentioned. It won't be possible in the first version but I can see why that would be a nice option to have. Currently this is very much tied to corporation roles as they are what's used to determine access, but our web devs are crafty and I have a whip so we'll see what happens later on.
- Alliance forums are possible with some moderation to the framework we've already built and may become reality later if there's enough interest.
- Many have mentioned more flexibility in regards to roles, who can do what and where. That's definitely something we can play with once the forums are out and we've had time to learn what is needed and what is wanted, as well as what we can do.
- Customizable channels or custom channels. Again, something that we can look at later when we know more. It's one of the options we discussed and decided to ponder upon later.

I think interest will be tied to the features offered. For alliance forums to work it has to be flexible to allow for the way alliances run. Some have NAPS with each other and share information/contracts at some level, others are part of coalitions. Being able to allow the leaders to dictate exactly who has access is very important and should take this into consideration. Players need to be able to dictate who can do what in their forums as well as who else can manage them. Tying them into in-game roles, even if some need to be created, is the best logical choice.

CCP Guard wrote:

- Stickies and polls. Stickies will be possible and I'll see about polls.

These would be nice too.

All in all this is a great start already but you will need to be serious about the features and flexibility if you want interest/usage to be serious as well.

Lead, Follow, or Get the #@$!@ Out of the Way.
Endeavour Starfleet
#90 - 2012-01-31 22:55:08 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Hey all! Nice feedback so far and some good suggestions overall. Looks like this new thing will be welcomed into the world.

- Letting non-corp members into the forum is a suggestion some have mentioned. It won't be possible in the first version but I can see why that would be a nice option to have. Currently this is very much tied to corporation roles as they are what's used to determine access, but our web devs are crafty and I have a whip so we'll see what happens later on.

- Alliance forums are possible with some moderation to the framework we've already built and may become reality later if there's enough interest.

- Many have mentioned more flexibility in regards to roles, who can do what and where. That's definitely something we can play with once the forums are out and we've had time to learn what is needed and what is wanted, as well as what we can do.

.......


- Stickies and polls. Stickies will be possible and I'll see about polls.


#1 Whip FTW
#2 Let me express ALOT of interest in alliance forums! Cool
#3 Roles are everything. We need many not just for forums but a change in game to a modular system as well. (Tho thats another topic)


CCP Guard wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Nice, will you add a killboard next?


An official EVE killboard is a much discussed topic over here. No promises whatsoever, but it is being looked into and discussed as part of our plans moving forward. Along with a lot of other things of course.

Don't quote me on that. Ok who am I kidding, there's even a button for quoting me on that.


YEP!

This would really help! The nine thousand other KBs are often inaccurate or delayed. This would be of GREAT help.

Liang Nuren wrote:


You mean this button? Also: if you implement an official KB, please allow people to opt out. :)

-Liang


I don't agree with an opt out. EVE is a one server game where losing your ship matters. It needs to show.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#91 - 2012-01-31 23:33:04 UTC
"choose who's planet"....

This caught my eye since as far as I know we (pilots/corps/alliances) don't "own" any planets... Sure we have installations on the planet and maybe even a customs office in orbit around the planet, but if I'm not mistaken, ANYONE can set up on any planet, so can you elaborate at all on any new mechanics that might be brought in to "own" planets. Cheers.
ps3ud0nym
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#92 - 2012-01-31 23:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ps3ud0nym
Some people dissing my earlier post who don't seem to understand what I am getting at. This isn't a Big Alliance vs. Small Corp deal. I want CCP to work on integration to help the SMALL corps and alliances. I am more than capable of maintaining my own IT infrastructure thank-you-very-much.

What I want to see is CCP leveraging the tools that big alliances use in a way that is accessible by all. Almost universally the big successful alliances will have the following:

- Forums
- Teamspeak/Mumble
- WIKI
- Jabber
- Auth (From Amazing: TEST, to handled through a forum plug-in)

These tools are all available out of game and are not tied to your character. EVE Tools are generally terrible because they assume that if I am not logged in as ps3ud0nym, I don't want to talk to anyone one in my corp. As I spend much of my time on out of corp alts, this is more than a little annoying and makes things like EVE Voice completely useless.

Why can't these tools and services be available right from CCP? Why do I have to buy a VPS or a Co-Located server in order to provide a functional IT environment to my members? Compared to creating a new forum with the development overhead that entails, providing integrated Jabber, WIKI, and TS is trivial! I would love to be able to go in-game or on EVE Gate to a site where I can set all this up and it reads from the API all controlled by CCP. Why can't I purchase Jabber services integrated with EVE from CCP hosted at Level 3? This is a great use for PLEX! CCP could easily charge for these services and provide them on-demand. I would also point out that they are likely able to charge more than your standard VPS provider as well (Return on investment would be higher than for a traditional deployment as they could charge say, 1 plex for each service/month with most customers utilizing 2 or more of the offered services you are charging more than most VPS providers.. and providing less with the value being in the integration with EVE giving small groups the tools the big groups use)

The solution here is to make sure there is an easy and integrated solution that provides these tools to all players of EVE so that they don't have to have an IT department just to play a video game. Unless CCP is planning to rewrite Jabber, TS, WIKI and forum software from the ground up (Rather than working on spaceships) it simply is the development path that gives the most bang for the buck.
Smoke Adian
#93 - 2012-02-01 00:31:26 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
So this will allow CCP to spy on their player base so that they can finally get an idea what is happening in their own game. (Hint: Winners don't talk about RMT on a CCP sponsored forum).

That said, DUST members in EvE corps, this could get interesting.


As mentioned, they already said they don't care about the content, plus, if they really care much about that kind of stuff, 3/4 of EVE would already be banned based on what goes on in local chat.
Ordais
DARK ORCHESTRA
#94 - 2012-02-01 06:14:55 UTC
Great stuff for smaller corps, thanks.

BUT, we need ingame roles or forum settings to organize access to forum-subsections, not to mention beeing able to create them ourselves.

Maybe i want someone to get access to FC-Subsections without giving them Director roles, thx.
Col Crunch
Fancypants Inc
Pandemic Horde
#95 - 2012-02-01 07:07:21 UTC
Are there plans any to extend this to alliances?
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-02-01 07:35:28 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

-Liang

Ed: I should probably just give up on my hatred of killboards... but I do so hate what they do to the society of the game. Too much risk averse, too much KM whoring, too much focus on ~stats~ and not enough on ~fun~. Blah.

Don't worry. I got hate enough for us both.

For nine years have e-peen swingers been whining about official killboards and for nine years have CCP recognized it for the craptastic idea it is.

To change stance now is only a confirmation of a craptastic development within CCPs current management.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Dp Wiz
Iron Hands Flight School
#97 - 2012-02-01 07:37:25 UTC
At long last!

Now, please, give us XMPP and evegate interfaces for a chat rooms.
Tegho
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2012-02-01 07:59:01 UTC
As cool as this is (and it is pretty cool), my first thought when reading it was "why would they add forums before a CCP run killboard?" Seriously, forums are pretty simple; the killboard systems out there are a giant fustercluck. The data for a server side killboard is already included in every character sheet.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2012-02-01 08:17:23 UTC
Feature Request:

Please do consider including an alliance version as soon as possible.
Please do give the ability to invite other non-alliance corps and alliances into subsections of the forum
Please do give the ability to invite individual characters into sub sections of the forum.

This would be most useful for us and other alliances we work with.


CCP Guard wrote:
Hey all! Nice feedback so far and some good suggestions overall. Looks like this new thing will be welcomed into the world.

- Letting non-corp members into the forum is a suggestion some have mentioned. It won't be possible in the first version but I can see why that would be a nice option to have. Currently this is very much tied to corporation roles as they are what's used to determine access, but our web devs are crafty and I have a whip so we'll see what happens later on.

- Alliance forums are possible with some moderation to the framework we've already built and may become reality later if there's enough interest.

- Many have mentioned more flexibility in regards to roles, who can do what and where. That's definitely something we can play with once the forums are out and we've had time to learn what is needed and what is wanted, as well as what we can do.

- Customizable channels or custom channels. Again, something that we can look at later when we know more. It's one of the options we discussed and decided to ponder upon later.

- Public announcement forum was suggested. A place to post announcements to the read-only-rest-of-the-universe crowd. That's a nice suggestion that we'll take into consideration. We'd have to figure out a way to make it work so that not everyone sees announcements from a billion corps while still being useful as a broadcasting tool.

- Does the current ETA of corp forums have anything to do with Dust? Nope. If it does though, I'm being kept in the dark :(

- Stickies and polls. Stickies will be possible and I'll see about polls.

Did I overlook something? Let me know if you've got further questions and I'll check in later. Right now my stomach is trying to convince me it's dinner time and It's making some pretty solid arguments.

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-02-01 09:14:15 UTC
I can see this being really useful for small corps.


Though I would recommend keeping it bare bones.

If you try getting too fancy and put a lot of bells and whisles in it, its ease of use will be lost and this easy entry corp forums will be come a poorly implemented thing.

Or if you do decide to all out on corp form. let a CEO gradually get access to the additional tools, either investing game skill points, or paying a Nominal isk fee to open up more of the corp ie 1 mill or a waiting period per option

Just so the CEO just can't go hog wild become overwhelmed with out exploring and evaluating each option on its own merrits

I would like to point out the Eve online skill point option.
If everyone was able to fly a titan with in 1 month of playing many player would have quit in the first year.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships