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stealing virtual items is also theft in RL (according to dutch supreme court)
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Saraya Velcrow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-31 19:53:19 UTC
according to this dutch news article click here
Stealing virtual items in games is considered By the dutch supreme court real theft and thus a criminal act punishable by law.

What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2012-01-31 19:54:52 UTC
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Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
#3 - 2012-01-31 19:57:51 UTC
Translator isn't working very well, so I'm not sure if it's correct, but as I understand the theft was done via means outside of the game. So it's rather different than the thefts in EVE.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#4 - 2012-01-31 20:02:51 UTC
I'm sure CCP will take advantage of this to send out claims of theft of THEIR property.

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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-31 20:06:25 UTC
as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.

Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.

Which is it about?

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Jita Alt666
#6 - 2012-01-31 20:10:16 UTC
Opertone wrote:
as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.

Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.

Which is it about?



The second. They held a 13 year old kid down and beat him till he agreed to log into the game and transfer his stuff over.

OP needs to learn about context.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-01-31 20:12:40 UTC
Opertone wrote:
as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.

Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.

Which is it about?

The latter. It was basically a real-world robbery where the thing coerced from the victim just happened to be a virtual item rather than something from the kid's wallet.

Can't say that I'm familiar with the Dutch legal system, but I am having a hard time seeing it extend to losses due to what a game defines as legal gameplay. It would be a bit like prosecuting people for murder when they shoot each other in the face in [generic multiplayer fps]. vOv
Dowla Daupor
Deltole Deltole Deltole
#8 - 2012-01-31 20:12:56 UTC
Opertone wrote:
as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.

Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.

Which is it about?


I would guess the latter, though we could possibly use this against CCP because it presumes virtual items we bought are our property. So the next step is pooling our resources, forming a credit union and pushing CCP out, then selling EVE for profit.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#9 - 2012-01-31 20:15:37 UTC
good luck flying lawers to duschland.

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2012-01-31 20:18:01 UTC
Ive been waiting for something like this to start happening and setting precedence in legal matters. What intrigues me is that Eve is built on piracy and theft in terms of its motto and playstyle which is very different to what 1st world nations and legalism uses on a daily basis. So the legal wrangling issues stemming from this game will be truly unique.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#11 - 2012-01-31 20:18:15 UTC
Saraya Velcrow wrote:
according to this dutch news article click here
Stealing virtual items in games is considered By the dutch supreme court real theft and thus a criminal act punishable by law.

What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??



This only applies to theft outside of the game.

IE, if you hacked in order to steal the items.



Stealing via intended game mechanics is still perfectly legal...
Richard Kyanka
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-31 20:19:06 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
good luck flying lawers to duschland.

I know a few virtual lawyers. Any help?
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#13 - 2012-01-31 20:20:34 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Opertone wrote:
as in game stealing, i.e. legitimate pickpocket, marauder, robbery, unfair trade.

Or stealing through malicious soft, hacking, hijacking, scams and unethical practices, such as intimidation and house infiltration. Out of game.

Which is it about?



The second. They held a 13 year old kid down and beat him till he agreed to log into the game and transfer his stuff over.

OP needs to learn about context.


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Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-01-31 20:24:43 UTC
Richard Kyanka wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
good luck flying lawers to duschland.

I know a few virtual lawyers. Any help?


What do you mean? This thread will soon be full of em.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#15 - 2012-01-31 20:27:59 UTC
Jaari Val'Dara wrote:
Translator isn't working very well, so I'm not sure if it's correct, but as I understand the theft was done via means outside of the game. So it's rather different than the thefts in EVE.
You're correct. The ruling was about two boys using physical violence IRL to force a third boy to log into Runescape and hand over some Items to them in-game.
As for EvE, I don't believe CCP would condone using RL violence to force other players to hand over their goods in the EvE universe. SUSPENSION AND BAN POLICYsection 3: Harassment.

The way thievery is made possible in this game, as a choice a player can make, is good. Using RL violence to get in-game items is not.
In my book, the Dutch supreme court had it right .

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Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-31 20:28:18 UTC
Ugh, bad , bad interpertation..

A guy was robbed by "real life" violence, and forced to log into his game account ( runescape or something )
and, by use of fisical ( real world ) force, forced to give up the goods "ingame"

Thats all..

Basicly, the cubcake's didn't take his lunch money but some stuff out of his game


( so this has nothing to do with our robbing/pillage streaks in this fine eve-world )
Jita Alt666
#17 - 2012-01-31 20:37:16 UTC
Op's interpretation would mean that all ingame wars were subject to the geneva convention.
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#18 - 2012-01-31 21:06:13 UTC
We don't own our characters or ISK.......
CCP does
Ergo you can't steal from me. You steal from my character that CCP owns to your character that CCP owns that CCP lets us use.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-31 21:09:17 UTC
The Dutch are only good for high quality drugs and Porn. nothing else has any value coming out of the Netherlands
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Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-01-31 21:14:36 UTC
Saraya Velcrow wrote:
What does CCP think about this i guess a countries supreme court overrules TOS from ccp ??


You guess wrong bro. Everything in the game is by default the property of CCP thanks to the EULA you all clicked throguh without reading, so no-one can "steal" anything.
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