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Titan tracking... isnt time to nerf it back a bit so they aint track as a Battleship??
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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#21 - 2011-12-17 16:13:37 UTC
in b4 the crosspost lock
Tear CoIIector
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-01-31 17:01:49 UTC
URDEAD2ME wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
Oh... my.....

Here we go again...

Waaaah... That titan killed my battleship.. Waaa...


About this...
I would be ok that it can be lucky and hit BS.
But no BC.



http://a-killed.me/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=582549
well erm thats not a bc or bs and they still hit it when it had transversal and was orbiting .

point is there tracking is op .



There is no way a titan would track your flycatcher unless you were dumb and sitting still.
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#23 - 2012-01-31 17:10:27 UTC
Dibsi Dei wrote:
As long as the target is under the tracking speed of your guns (which is really easy especially at 20km+ ranges) it doesnt matter how small the targets radius is compared to your resolution you will hit, even though they might be a little worse hits.

No...that's not how tracking works.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-31 17:12:48 UTC
I believe that your corp should be the confederation of DUCT tape lovers?

Dodixie > Hek
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-31 17:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Aqriue wrote:
Pro-tip: Bring your own cap ships. Yes it does work, just because you out number the enemy 100 to 1 in smaller ships, if they have 1 ship equal to your 100 (lets not forget even if the number of people is equal on both sides, cap ships are a FORCE MULTIPLIER making you outnumbered as well) AND they put in the time to train for it, to aquire the isk to purchase it (including mats, POS fuel, time spent in the oven baking and general amount of effort involved to build the biggest badass ships in EVE) then yes they should be kicking you ass if you bring hundreds of cheaper ships just because you choose to stop at BS 4/5, large Turret 4, and prefer to fly smaller ships most of the time.

God I am sick and tired of the complaining/whining/btching on the boards of "Wha! Wha! He has a bigger ship and killed me BUT I feel entitled/deserve/COMBO-BREAKER destroy that titan just because I brought hundreds of my own friends in frigs/cruiser/BS and they can't hit me....oh wait!!!!!" Unless you plan some brilliant tactic around killing cap ships with hundreds of thousands of rifters before DT, then stop wimping out with the smaller ships and bring some big guns of your own.


Cost isn't a balancing factor.

"I botted for 3 months to buy my titan i am ENTITLED to victory"

fyi 60 titans built in december, heh so much for them being a gargantuan task to build

also just post with your raiden/ncdot main because nobody gives a **** these days

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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#26 - 2012-01-31 17:19:35 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Tear CoIIector wrote:


There is no way a titan would track your flycatcher unless you were dumb and sitting still.


They do given enough range...

HICs get torn apart by them in bubble range in every fight.
Avid Bumhumper
Beekeepers Anonymous
#27 - 2012-01-31 17:25:44 UTC
Verloc Nostromo wrote:
He is meaning to link to a battle report of a PL super fleet that melted one of our sub cap fleets in LGK. Where the PL super fleet was out numbered but still killed a lot of ships in a short time for very little return damage. If you look at the KM's for the battle you will see that a very high percentage of the kills were not by the PL subcaps, but by the titans and SC's.
But i could be mistaken.

This battle the OP refers to I think *you will need to copy/paste, the eve forum doesn't seem to like linking the report for some reason*
http://www.a-killed.me/?a=kill_related2&kll_id=582605



So basiclly....WAH?

You got your cheap ass fleet whipped by a much more expensive fleet, how is that possible??? Roll

The logic in game these days just boggles my mind. "I brought a blob and lost, they had bigger ships, it's not fair"
-A- claims to have nearly as many supers as PL, why didn't you use them? Your big boys getting cold feet?

My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale.....
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-31 17:29:42 UTC
nobody sane would suggest that 300 battleships should kill 50 titans, but dropping 50 unsupported titans on 300 battleships should be a risky maneuver that can potentially lead to a loss or two

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Tear CoIIector
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-01-31 17:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear CoIIector
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-31 17:37:30 UTC
more like "they just blued every alliance they could that has a supercapital fleet of consequence" heh

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Tear CoIIector
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-01-31 18:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear CoIIector
An abbadon's pulse lazers track at 0.029 rad/sec. An avatar with pulse lazers tracks at 0.005 rads/sec. That means that Battleship tracking is over 500% better than titan tracking. Therefore, according to your title there is no nerf needed since battleships track 500% better than titans to begin with.
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#32 - 2012-01-31 18:38:46 UTC
They already have that one giant fuckoff gun. Remove hardpoints from titans. Highs can be filled with bonused command links or whatever, I don't know. No exponentially scaling benefit to having 100 titans on grid with ~600 command links running (besides the 100 potential doomsdays every ten minutes - there's always that, of course).
Veneth
Twilight Paradox
#33 - 2012-01-31 19:10:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
nobody sane would suggest that 300 battleships should kill 50 titans, but dropping 50 unsupported titans on 300 battleships should be a risky maneuver that can potentially lead to a loss or two


Hate to say it but why not? 300 frigates vs 50 battleships i'd put my money on the frigates. 150k vs 90mil or so. Seems close in comparison to battleship vs Titan prices.

As has been said the original idea of pricey Titans balancing their power has proven to be a poor metric. I look at Titans as the battleships of old when they could whack frigs fairly easily with their guns and torps just instapoped frigates. I don't expect Titans/super caps to stay at their power level for long
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2012-01-31 19:28:06 UTC
Andski wrote:
more like "they just blued every alliance they could that has a supercapital fleet of consequence" heh


You can tell this lie as many ways as you want but its still a lie.

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Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-01-31 19:37:26 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Andski wrote:
more like "they just blued every alliance they could that has a supercapital fleet of consequence" heh


You can tell this lie as many ways as you want but its still a lie.


Prove it.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#36 - 2012-01-31 19:51:56 UTC
Did a titan manage to overtrack itself in order to necro this thread?

Nerf Titans.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-01-31 20:36:31 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Andski wrote:
more like "they just blued every alliance they could that has a supercapital fleet of consequence" heh


You can tell this lie as many ways as you want but its still a lie.


i forgot that PL, Raiden and NCdot are all neutral to each other

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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#38 - 2012-01-31 21:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Okay, EVE tracking formula 101

Titans dont actually track as good as a battleship. You see, in addition to the turret tracking speed, the effective tracking of a gun in EVE is also determined by the relationship between the targets signature radius, and the guns siganture resolution.

The tracking numbers EFT willl give you presumes that the gun engages its "ideal target", which is a ship in the same class (S, M, L, XL). So its accurate, but only if the guns signature resolution and the target signature radius is equal. For example a battleship gun have a sigres of 400m, which is the same as the sigradius of a Megathron.

If the guns sigres is less than the target sigradius, the effective tracking will be better than EFT tells you. Conversly, if the guns sigres is bigger than the target sigradius, the effective tracking will be worse.

Take the Megathron as an example, max skilled with neutron blasters and no tracking mods, implants or boosters, and using antimatter.

If it engages another mega, the gun sigres equals the target sigradius, and the tracking will be what EFT tells you, 0,0893 radians per second. What happens if it engages a frigate, lets say wih a sigradius of 40m? Well, the effective tracking will be only 1/10 of what EFT tells you, or 0,0089 radians per second.

This applies very much to capital ships, as they of course have the biggest guns in the game. An XL turret have a signature resolution of 1000m. Shooting a 400m battleship, its effective tracking will be only 40% of what EFT tells you.

EDIT:

And as for the LOL titan hit a destroyer comment above, there have been some articles about this on EVENEWS24 and various blogs lately. And as some pointed out, a MWDing Flycatcher (which was the example used) have a signature radius of 624m. Thats 1.5 Megathrons. So if a Titan can hit a balttlehip, it can certainly hit a MWDing dictor.

Some say that capitals shouldnt hit battlehsips. I fail to understand why capitals should get a special treatment however, so if you really mean this, you presumably also mean that a battleship should not be able to hit a BC or a Cruiser, and a Cruiser should not be able to hit a destroyer or frigate.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-02-01 15:32:15 UTC
Andski wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
Pro-tip: Bring your own cap ships. Yes it does work, just because you out number the enemy 100 to 1 in smaller ships, if they have 1 ship equal to your 100 (lets not forget even if the number of people is equal on both sides, cap ships are a FORCE MULTIPLIER making you outnumbered as well) AND they put in the time to train for it, to aquire the isk to purchase it (including mats, POS fuel, time spent in the oven baking and general amount of effort involved to build the biggest badass ships in EVE) then yes they should be kicking you ass if you bring hundreds of cheaper ships just because you choose to stop at BS 4/5, large Turret 4, and prefer to fly smaller ships most of the time.

God I am sick and tired of the complaining/whining/btching on the boards of "Wha! Wha! He has a bigger ship and killed me BUT I feel entitled/deserve/COMBO-BREAKER destroy that titan just because I brought hundreds of my own friends in frigs/cruiser/BS and they can't hit me....oh wait!!!!!" Unless you plan some brilliant tactic around killing cap ships with hundreds of thousands of rifters before DT, then stop wimping out with the smaller ships and bring some big guns of your own.


Cost isn't a balancing factor.

"I botted for 3 months to buy my titan i am ENTITLED to victory"

fyi 60 titans built in december, heh so much for them being a gargantuan task to build

also just post with your raiden/ncdot main because nobody gives a **** these days

Cost involves EVERYTHING from time put in of the individuals. Now, when individuals get together...you have an army capable of anything. Why can't you get an army together to smash up these other alliances capable of fielding all those titans? Ah...because you can't be assed to do much more then sit around and do nothing, but then when you do get involved you whine about getting your ass handed to you by those 60 titans you couldn't be bothered to take down before they were built. Stop worrying about the botting rat ships and go for the nut punch...kill the POS making titans (don't worry about the soldiers, kill the infrastructure and civillians then the soldiers fall right behind them). You don't need a bot to shoot those so get an army of your own to smash up POS in a crusade against simple A.I. using alliances, unless you are to half assed to not bother and should just leave them alone, to continue their botting and building of more titans Roll.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#40 - 2012-02-01 15:33:26 UTC
Boost EAFs to break though immune ships, throw a couple of destabs on it problem solved.

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