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New clones and Addiction.

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Malande
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-16 10:55:31 UTC
Just something that came up while writing, if you get transferred into a new clone presumably that would cure you of any physical dependencies but would you be able to shake mental addictions to?

The setting I'm looking at is a pod pilot who smokes, I'm assuming that the physical dependence on nicotine wouldn't carry over in a new clone but would the mental addiction, is there any precedent for correcting addictions upon transfer?

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Auwnie Morohe
DYON.
#2 - 2011-09-16 14:38:32 UTC
It is a much more complicated and interesting question than one might think. I think it is very hard to answer without knowing more about how the cloning and transferring technology exactly works.

The big problem is that addiction is the exact place where the physical meets the mind.

Nicotine is especially interesting because many people believe that it has a big physically addictive vector when in fact it does not it is just very sneaky. I know because I used to smoke, which feels remarkably strange to write down because I havent wanted to smoke since the day I smoked my final cigarette and became a happy non smoker.Big smile

Thank you for reminding me that I owe Allan Carr a bunch of years of my life.Cool
Ehren Glassoka
Glassoka Superluminal
#3 - 2011-09-16 21:30:32 UTC
I agree that the mental addiction would carry over, while the physical craving would not.

Now, here's a question: Would it matter? I mean, seriously, the odds of any one clone living long enough to suffer the long-term effects of smoking seem pretty slim. Your whole job involves risking your life every time you get into your capsule.

Being, as they are, effectively immortal, I imagine capsuleers would engage in all kinds of self-destructive lifestyle choices: smoking, heavy drinking, unprotected sex, eating whatever the heck they want. Then, if they live in that body long enough to get a terminal diagnosis, they just save up some isk to replace their implants, outfit a noob frigate with short range/high dps turrets, fly into enemy territory guns blazing ...

... and wake up in a new body, assets intact and disease free.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#4 - 2011-09-17 22:00:26 UTC
But the mental part alone might still be hard to overcome, since the neural pathways were copied into your new clone. So a clone might end up in a situation were his/ her mind constantly tells him he needs the drug now, but his body shows no signs of withdrawal.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Astrid Skjerna
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-09-27 16:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Skjerna
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
But the mental part alone might still be hard to overcome, since the neural pathways were copied into your new clone. So a clone might end up in a situation were his/ her mind constantly tells him he needs the drug now, but his body shows no signs of withdrawal.


Interesting -- it's kind of like the Trill in Star Trek: they're effectively immortal, but they have to establish a balance between the hosts' desires and that of the symbiotic life within.

Case in point -- Jadzia (the old host) is killed; Ezri (the new host) inherits the Dax symbiote, and is quickly overcome by a desire for raktajino (a really strong coffee). The only problem there: Ezri hates raktajino with a passion, and the desire comes from one of Dax' previous hosts that couldn't start the day properly without a cup.

If anything, I imagine that it (cloning) would make addiction a great deal worse -- their mind is telling them that they need it-want it-love it, and their new body hasn't touched the stuff, so the cravings would be nearly uncontrollable and they'd be hooked that much harder.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2011-09-28 18:42:19 UTC
As I understand the cloning process...

The clone body is pre-grown with a primitive brain stem and spinal cord, but no real brain to speak of. When you die in your pod, a snapshot is taken in your head of your brain as it currently is. Literally a photocopy of your brain, in the exact arrangement and composition of all your braincells and such.

That exact copy, with any and all defects, is grown into the head of the clone.

So that's why if you have a brain tumor, that gets copied too. Or if you're Tibus Heth with little toxic crystals growing in your brain, them too.

Since we don't really know how addiction works... I'm going to guess and say it's caused by a specific arrangement and composition of your brain cells that cause you to crave the stuff. So yes, that gets copied too. Everything that has to do with tghe brain is copied, and if that includes physiological addiction... then it gets cloned too.

Katrina Oniseki