Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Balance (I placed this here to keep reminding myself balance within the game is important, and with something this big it will take a lot of discussion)

When it comes the industry there's not many choices for ship type. And I believe adding a Tech 3 could add some excitement to the industrial side of Eve. The only obstacle when inventing a ship that could be a game changer is to maintain the balance within the mining industry. By being able to have different subsystems this tech 3 industrialized ship should be able to serve a wide range of task.

Ideas of subsystem bonuses that are needed in the industrial Tech 3 , transport capabilities (cloaking while in warp) of course this ship with the above features cannot hold more cargo than their distant cousins like a crane. It would be extremely unproductive to release a ship that would make in existence one obsolete.
Maybe stealth mining would be valuable for some Low sec ore, with correct subsystem configuration and bonuses the user should be able to configure 2 mining lasers and a covert ops cloaking device. If the ship is far enough away from asteroids the pilot will be able to the cloak and make a smooth getaway with a cargo full of ore.
I believe it would also be extremely cool to have laboratory subsystems. During the time the blueprint is under production if any blueprints or subsystems are tampered with they would reset, making all the time lost is space.
I could go on and on about different ideas but would like to hear what everyone else thinks!!


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Wasn't thinking in terms of bubbles, but now that it is brought up to carry 3500m3 or something work?

also make the modules component/ build cost heavy to help counter their use by bots.

1) This is GD not effandeye

2) Mining and Hauling are too one dimensional for any new ships to fit well.

Hauling: Freighters for bulk, Orca for valuables, JFs for dangerous hauls, BRs for Lowsec. Indys and DST for... eh... farting around. Any bases not covered?

Mining: Higher yield just means more hauling for the same profit, and yield's all that matters.

Salvaging: Noctis.

Command Bonuses: Orca for HS, Rorq else. Rorq also hauls similarly to a JF.

POS Placement: I can't think of any non-silly bonus you could give a ship for this.

Research: Doesn't belong somewhere you can logoff. I'd make an alt, set it in your research ship, start the Titan copy job, and log it off for x time. No risk, no effort needed to defend.

Manufacturing: See Research.

If you want interchangeable functionality fine. But it's got to have tradeoffs (as in being worse in some way). And for industry, it's much better (not to mention easier) to keep a fleet of ships, the best for each job, available. Unlike PvP where cost *can* be a tradeoff, industrial ships are lost fairly rarely, so cost is not a large factor.

So at least we are confirming that industrials have the scope for some kind of tech 3 composition.

I'm a strategic cruiser fanboi myself, but I wont let that dissaude me from applying the tech 3 plausability and process to other ship classes.

T3 Industrials are the same as T3 Frigates.......an answer to a question nobody is asking.


Buff the Mackinaw Shields and CPU and all will be well without much further ado.

This part isn't bad.

It could be made to work, but likely only under these conditions:

Only a single cycle of the mining lasers should be possible before needing to empty the hold to make room for more.
(You trade convenience for this cloaked mining safety)

You then need to either dump into a can, (Oh look, it shows up like a flag that you are present), or travel to a POS. That trip is painful to many, as it is killing their time efficiency mining.

Of course, they could always have a cloaked transport try to pick up cans. It needs to decloak to transfer, however, the same as the miner may need to to place stuff in the can.

Not convenient, but harder to gank, if you are careful.

only Nova Fox Shipyards is allowed to spam ideas about new ships amirite?

Well as the game stand's IMHO the game is situated around PVP with a aspect of industrial, they need to do something to help the industrial side along as everything in the game is pvp this pvp that..

and why not have something to help a industrialist god knows pvp have enough ships...

lets look at the risk vs reward of indy and pve for income.

0.0:

Industry.
The industry sov level of a system goes up, that system gets a perma cloaky so no indy can go on...
Impossible to mine safe (ish) in pipe systems, with people not been able to mine in perma cloaky camped systems they logoff (been a miners sole income is to mine)..

PVE.
can rat annom's in drakes etc basically in any system (inc pipe systems), stay aligned to a pos, brining isk in for pvp/pvers.


Highsec:

Industry.
Feel like your getting somewhere making some basic isk to get your next ship. then hulkageddon or a pilot gangs your hulk, not enough isk to replace the ship so you have to drop down to a retriever.

pve/pvp:
Missions, most people dont salvage there sites, only risk is ninja salvager or unless your flying a faction ship with bill's of faction mods on it.


it seems to me that ccp are pushing people away from industry into pvp by offering more and a better working envinroment for them career paths (this is something I have noticed over the years)..