Jita Park Speakers Corner

Not even close, mate.

Not even freakin' close, beyond the w-system's nominal security rating of -1.00:

Which means that bubbles and bombs can be used there, and that you can PvP and/or podkill with no security-status hit, and there are no sentry/station guns. That's where the similarities to k-space zerosec end.

So "w-space is the same as [k-space] zerosec" in the sense that the basic (mainly tactical/PvP-oriented) mechanics based off of that security rating are the same, but that's pretty much it.

In w-space (condensed list):

1) Cynos cannot be lit
2) Sovereignty cannot be held. No stations present or possible, you live out of a POS (and I've heard of some who've done so out of a cloaky Orca and some judiciously-anchored GSCs in a safe-spot)
3) No moon-mining
4) No normal asteroid-belts, any rocks to mine must be probed down (and the best POS-refining modules carry huge waste compared to station-refineries; On the order of 25%, IIRC), and the amounts of ore you get are miniscule compared to known-space, as the grav sites usually don't re-spawn for at least a few days, usually much longer. No Ice-belts either, so those critical products must also be brought in from k-space.
5) Supercapitals cannot enter (IIRC) due to mass-limits on wormholes, nor can they be built in a wormhole (you need sov. to anchor an SCAA)
6) The only realistic way to have a fleet of standard capitals is to build them in your hole due to mass-limits, and it's likely that that is where they will stay until they get urp-sploded
7) No local chat
8) Your ways in and out on any given day change, and you've no idea where your "out-gate" goes until you go through it--logistics/re-supply/selling loot and salvage (Sleepers give no bounties, it's all in loot and especially salvage) is much more challenging/risky

W-Life is about as different from sov-null as it can get, and in many ways, its' exact antithesis, with mechanics--mainly mass-limits on the wormhole deciding how much can enter at any given time--biased towards small-scale PvP, and high-end PvE with real risks of PvP at all times. In other words, the "end-game" for many of us in small corps/alliances that want nothing to do with sov-zerosec.

That's why it belongs on Issler's list:

Being a "holie" is the last bastion of the independent small corp./Alliance that wants to remain so, whilst still making a good living, whilst yet still holding most closely to EVE's core ethos of "more rewards = more risks to get/keep them."

(Despite the hathos-inducing bleating of the sov-null sheep, this is not the case in a lot sov-null, and hasn't been for quite some while. Oh, have I mentioned that it's essentially impossible to bot in wormhole-space, too?)

So the questions about miners asking to tilt the markets. Not our platform. I want to see the mining experiences get more interesting, rewarding and dynamic. To give the miners a reason to develop active skills to make them more isks. If I am PvP-ing fighting ship to ship my skills matter, my fit matters and my real time actions define my fate. Why isn't there something similar at the high end of mining?

The party believes in the market. The party will never support a position that violates that concept.

Eve is about conflict, the idea of risk and rewards, the idea that better skills and real time actions while in Eve improve outcomes.

The Voice of Reason Party wants CCP to make that true for EVERY aspect of Eve.

I hope that clarifies why CCP needs to think about high sec and all the activities many of us enjoy there.

Issler Dainze
Voice of Reason Party CSM 7 Candidate

Why thank you :)

Um...no, politicking is not my thing to put it mildly, although I had flirted with the idea of standing (read: I don't suffer fools gladly, and as I'm sure you'll agree, there are a great many fools in the EVE community).

Also, there already is a wormhole candidate, namely Two Step--why not just ask him? If his blogs and the recent CSM Minutes are any indication, then his integrity and intent are proven.

Let's see if we can recruit him to the party and definitely join the discussions in the party forums when I get the VoR forums up and running!

Issler

Holy cowbell,

you just convinced me !

Take all my votes

Jill.

This is getting stale...Try harder next time.

1/10.

My sarcasm meter is currently broken and out for repair. As a result, I am unable to tell the difference between sincerity and sarcasm.

Please choose an appropriate response from the list:

Thanks man. Appreciate it. Was doing my best to get a normal guy look.

or

You @#RFD#, your a $^G$^&U#, and your mom #%^(%!

Fly Safe o/

The current idea is possibly three candidates with specific focus. There is a great proposal in this thread as to how we might make that split.

I'd be likely to be WiS, Mining and small corps.

If we can get the three "strongest" candidates of the independent candidates onboard and we get more of the folks that ignored the CSM voting last time as backlash from the CSM I hope we can collect enough votes among the three to get some of us in the top 7.

It is still technically before the whole mess starts so a lot of details are "tbd". Any suggestions are very welcome!

Issler

Do not choose the mining or ratting profession in Eve. At present, the mining profession has become a "dead end" due to a Null Sec tactic with cloaked ships.

You cannot successfully mine in Null Sec if you are member of a small or medium alliance. Bitter vets have discovered how to use alts in cloaked ships to basically "grief" all industrial activities in enemy systems. CSM approves of this activity, because they think it leads to more hostilities and conflicts. In fact, the industrialists usually have no idea which enemy is backing the "neutral" cloaked pilot. And, some pilots just enjoy giving this grief. Miners are a primary target. So are the ratters.

At present, cloaked ships can stay cloaked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. In this way, only one "alt" account can shut down industrial activities in just about any system in null sec. Provided, of course, the hostile kills an industrial pilot once in awhile (or serves as the "warp in" for his buddies once and awhile to kill an industrial pilot).

While there are counters to this tactic of pilots who grief systems cloaked (usually AFK) for days and weeks on a 24/7 basis. The only effective tactic against this grief is to join a HUGE alliance with enough space that the industrial pilot can find a "quiet" system. Since most of your CSM representatives are elected by LARGE alliances, guess who approves this tactic? CSM approves this tactic. CCP approves this tactic. They say that it is to "increase conflict"? No. I think it is intended to keep the small alliances down by denying them the ability to maximize their industrial potential. But, that's just my opinion.

How to counter this problem if you are a miner? Just QUIT GAME. The pilot won't grief an empty system. But, then again... that only benefits the large alliances, doesn't it?

Anticipating the response saying I'm a whiner, and saying you just kill the cloaky dudes ... I ask for proof or STFU. Because, you cannot scan down a cloaked ship. IF the guy is AFK 23/7, this means you can put your team on the scanning job for 24/7 and maybe find him. But, have you ever tried to scan down a cloaked ship 24/7? Oh, so you want to bubble and watch the gates 24/7, too? Get serious. The cloaked ship has bookmarks to avoid such traps and will laugh at your feeble attempts. We could call bullshit, but this is an approved feature of the game, not a bug and not an exploit.

What we really need is a new MMORPG game. Maybe a clone that is "like Eve". A new game, which would emphasize industrial cooperation for your PvP wins. At that point, you might get CCP's attention to this insufferable problem called the 24/7 cloaked AFK grief ship. CSM won't deal with it. CCP won't deal with it.

There's a cloaked ship coming soon - to a system near your hulks and ratting ships. ATTENTION, all Ratters and Miners . . . PREPARE TO QUIT GAME !

You think the entirety of Hi-sec is niche, Mittens?