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Do you think the CSM should be Removed.
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WarProfit
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-27 19:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: WarProfit
Do you think CCP is too lazy to survey its player base and determine what needs to be fixed and what doesnt then vote YES to the removal of CSM.


If you believe CSM provides a valuable resource to both CCP and the player base then vote NO
Disband the CSM
#2 - 2012-01-27 19:23:49 UTC
Hell yes, yo!
Marcus Harikari
#3 - 2012-01-27 19:24:42 UTC
Disband the CSM wrote:
Hell yes, yo!

roflmao
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-27 19:24:57 UTC
So CCP can't be bothered to survey their playerbase, thus, the CSM should be disbanded?

idgi

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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-01-27 19:26:54 UTC
Personally, I am of the opinion that we could do without it. I have seen posts where goons have openly admitted that they have been manipulating the system, so why should the rest of us "pubbies" continue to deal with blatant manipulation?

I think that a direct survey would be a much better option than the current situation that many of us are unhappy with.

As an added bonus, it would be a cost-cutting measure for CCP, no more flying the CSM members to Iceland for parti-- er, meetings.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2012-01-27 19:28:23 UTC
Acutally yes, I really do think that ccp cannot listen to all of us.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-27 19:29:15 UTC
If I don't get access to NDA'd information nobody else should have access to it either!!!

also free trips to Iceland for all players!

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Ai Shun
#8 - 2012-01-27 19:32:51 UTC
WarProfit wrote:
Do you think CCP is too lazy to survey its player base and determine what needs to be fixed and what doesnt then vote YES to the removal of CSM.


If you believe CSM provides a valuable resource to both CCP and the player base then vote NO


You need to read this. That will help you understand the CSM. Not just a superficial understanding, but a deeper understanding of why they exist, why they are good for EVE and what their purpose is.

Then read this, to see what they are actively doing.

My vote is NO, I believe the CSM is valuable.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-27 19:35:10 UTC
CSM is still evolving into the thing we all first thought when CCP came out with it.

Give it time, clearly the only issue is that the CSM while popular and very knowladgeable in most areas, do not currently support every profession and play type/style.

They will get there.... chill :)

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WarProfit
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-27 19:37:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
So CCP can't be bothered to survey their playerbase, thus, the CSM should be disbanded?

idgi



I have never once been asked to fill out a survey or personally respond on the status of the game by any memeber of CSM. Explain to me how CSM surveys players other than those in their current corp/alliance.
Ai Shun
#11 - 2012-01-27 19:41:01 UTC
WarProfit wrote:
Andski wrote:
So CCP can't be bothered to survey their playerbase, thus, the CSM should be disbanded?

idgi



I have never once been asked to fill out a survey or personally respond on the status of the game by any memeber of CSM. Explain to me how CSM surveys players other than those in their current corp/alliance.


CCP survey. They do so roughly every month, you can even win prizes. It is in the Newsletter. You are subscribed, right?

CSM does not generally survey to the best of my knowledge, they discuss. (See here)
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#12 - 2012-01-27 20:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
I don't think the CSM should be removed, I think there need to be changes made. We don't need a group of selfish idiots pushing their agenda; we need people who can actually represent the players as a whole.


Ai Shun wrote:


CCP survey. They do so roughly every month, you can even win prizes. It is in the Newsletter. You are subscribed, right?



I've actually never subbed to the newsletter, now I'm wondering how you would go about doing so. Can't find a link to it anywhere.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#13 - 2012-01-27 20:19:17 UTC
A lot of courtesy flushes are required in threads about the CSM.

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Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-01-27 20:23:05 UTC
Op seems to think that MMO players like filling out questionares and surveys.
Jita Alt666
#15 - 2012-01-27 20:29:00 UTC
The current CSM have helped drive CCP development back toward Eve Online. A large portion of the information provided by CSM members (past and present) shows depth of understanding that regular players do not have - unless they spend 2-3 hours a day reading about Eve Online.

To quote Winston Churchill
Quote:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter


In regards to the oft pushed opinion that CSM members should represent everyone - no person who steps forward for public duties represents everyone - they represent their constituents.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-27 20:31:41 UTC
Disband the CSM wrote:
Hell yes, yo!

Pretty awesome combination, gotta say.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2012-01-27 20:32:00 UTC
What CCP should do is make changes to the game based on the asinine, poorly thought out, hugely contradictory ramblings of the tiny percentage of players who post on the forums, that would be super effective.
Jita Alt666
#18 - 2012-01-27 20:36:00 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
What CCP should do is make changes to the game based on the asinine, poorly thought out, hugely contradictory ramblings of the tiny percentage of players who post on the forums, that would be super effective.


You mean the players who care enough about the game to populate the community?
Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-01-27 20:39:41 UTC
Keep the CSM, yes.

I am, however, in favor of some tweaking, along the lines of having representatives elected out of the major professions, in order to form a more coalition type of representative body.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-27 20:48:20 UTC
WarProfit wrote:
Do you think CCP is too lazy to survey its player base and determine what needs to be fixed and what doesnt then vote YES to the removal of CSM.


So your idea is that since CCP doesn't listen to their players, they should remove the most effective way of discerning what players want? I don't get it either

Also "winning" is not really the same as "manipulating the system" unless of course you lost the election

Or are you saying that Mittens, like an inept Russian bureaucrat, stuffs electronic ballot boxes before the election even begins?
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