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Just when I thought the OP couldn't get any dumber

I heard a rumour that you were supposed to be smart and witty. Obviously the rumour is quite false.

Got anything to actually contribute other than some moronic one-liner out of a junkyard?

I would try to explain the concept of brainstorming to you, but at this point I'm sensing you are trying to push a specific agenda, no matter how disconnected it may be from reality. All your statements thus far reflect an unreasonable bias and I honestly don't have the time anymore to try and reason with you when you have no desire to see anything but what you want to see.

Good luck with your campaign. I don't think you will get anywhere with it, but perhaps the venting is providing you with some sense of accomplishment and that is a good thing.

Idiot. It's the point of the thread. Highsec candidacy is fractured and is made of a thousands of individuals who think for themselves and don't vote like a bunch of ass-kissing morons. If highseccers HAD a guaranteed CSM position they WOULD care.

Highsec CANNOT get up as a majority because the system is faulty. You're applying quaint IRL methodologies to a virtual environment that simply would not work in IRL.

Should someone living in Rio be able to vote for the candidate you hate most in Texas? Seriously? You'd be bitching sweetheart, bitching loud.

I do! But seriously, how many times do you have to see the same unbalanced rant before it becomes nothing more than troll material?

Sounds like us Ass-Kissing morons have figured out what it took the United States electorate negative ~4 years to figure out (The Federalist and Anti-Federalist parties predate George Washington's presidency). If you work together, you get more done. In Eve we call those "Alliances" and in RL we call them "Parties" or "Countries." If the occupants of Hisec can't figure out how to work together like us "Ass-Kissing morons," what does it make them?

I also have to disagree with the idea that Hisec players are any more or less individualistic than any other area. They just have no incentive to work together day to day, so they don't develop the bonds that players in other areas of space develop.


What you're suggesting is making and enforcing Parties based on geographical divides. Preventing people who live in different areas from working together (And that's setting aside the issue of multiple characters in different areas of space per account). Parties organize based on ideals not geography. Hisec seems to be pretty committed to the ideal of "I don't feel like voting" and that's their prerogative.

well there is the things i've heard of people having many accounts and voting for themself, and friends with many accounts voting too. so where a person may have 10 friends supporting them, that may balloon out to 50 votes, now imagine that in an alliance of say 1000 people. All the sudden 1000 becomes 5000 (throwing random numbers here not everyone has 5 accounts).

Thats not how voting is supposed to work. But untill CCP can find a way to limit voting to once per human. Then there will always be ample room for "breaking" the system as it stands.


Players have almost limitless freedoms on the eve game server, they can shoot what they like, take what the like, scam what they like. CSM goes beyond the game server. CSM gets flown to iceland thats as real in the flesh as it gets. The people who go to iceland should be legitimately elected by the majority of humans not just the few with the richest friends. If the null sec blocs have more legit votes and still win then thats the way it rolls. Multi account selfvotes shouldnt happen

The US is a Federation of theoretically independent states. We elect Congresspeople to represent our interests and a President to represent the country as a whole. Everybody gets to vote for the president (kind of, the Electoral College is weird). There's a lot of history behind that that's not totally applicable anymore, but it's really hard to change the system, so we don't bother. There's also a significant difference between the legislature and executive.

An example more similar to the CSM, each state gets 2 Senators that are voted for by the state as a whole; in the specific example of AZ, where the largest city is fairly conservative and the rest of the population is liberal, if half the state got to vote for each seat, there'd probably be a conservative and a liberal senator from AZ, but since the whole state votes for each independently, there are 2 conservative senators. I may not like the result, but I don't fault the system, I fault the morons with whom I disagree.

The CSM is an advisory committee representing the playerbase as a whole. Therefore the whole playerbase gets to vote on them. If you don't like the results, blame the people who voted against your preferred result and the people who couldn't be bothered to vote.


On to implementation problems with your idea (moving out of the conceptual):

Now a good example of what you're suggesting with voting by region is the house and the senate. If you give seats by population you marginalize areas with little population (The House does this). If you give a fixed number of seats by region, you magnify areas with little population (The Senate does this). Either way leads to bad things, so the US does both to balance. There being no way CCP will create a full blown legislature with checks and balances, there's no way to implement your idea fairly. Also, this being EvE, the players would all work on abusing your system. And we'd succeed.

I admire your ability to think for yourself and not act as though your will was subjugated to another entity that promises to take care of you via central planning.

I support every single hisec candidate, please all do your very best to gain votes from all the hisec people. I look forward to a favorable outcome.

Ah, then my recollection of the numbers is wrong.

It would be interesting to find out where players (actual humans) spend their time, but I suspect it would be very difficult to get those numbers together. For instance, say I have a jita alt who I leave logged in 23/7, and a main elsewhere. Or an AFK cloak alt that spends 23/7 in Null, but my main lives in Lowsec somewhere nearby.