Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, please! I was just coming on the forums to ***** about this. I log on to change my skills and then I get this update to the Neocom which personally sucks ass imho. I don't like it and I want the option to have the old look. I know you can scale it but it's either too small, or too big and you don't get to see the actual tab names without mousing over it... Please CCP, give us the option to switch back to the old or you will lose players, starting with me!

There isn't really much difference between the two, anything you had on the neocom before you can have it on it now, and anything that gets minimized, goes to the neocom. Except now it is much more sleek looking, and soon you will beable to have it on the top and bottom of your screen.

What this guy said.

I like the new one.

My point is there is no point in wasting resources by making it possible to switch back n forth between new and old, when the new one is perfectly fine the way it is.

Agree. I posted in another thread here on how CCP can improve the new Neocom as well. It has multiple issues as is. For example, even tho I'd love to be able to customize my UI as much as possible, this new Neocon forces alot of crap on us even if we turn it off. I can turn off fleet, etc, so it won't show on the left. But soon as I join a fleet - boom, it pops up and clutter up the interface. Open a cargo? Open cargo + corp hangar + loot can + station containers etc? They ALL show up on the Neocom. And you can't remove them, without closing the cans.. or the fleet.. etc.

So yah, OP is right, and you're wrong muhadin. The new Neocom does not do the same things as the old, in fact it adds alot of unecessary **** that clutters everything up. When it stops adding alot of unecessary crap, and when it's really customizeable and not forcing stuff on you, then I'd be more likely to agree with you. But for now, the OP has a valid point.

The new NeoCom reminds me much of the Windows 7 taskbar, though it's lacking the option to stick the "application" of a currently open window to it. Like, if you've opened the notepad from the "Start" menu (yes, I'm using that comparison intentionally!) because it's missing in the NeoCom bar it should be possible to right-click on the icon and have a menu entry like "stick to NeoCom bar" available.

Really, if you're accustomed to how Windows 7 handles windows and applications this shouldn't be that much of a problem to manage the new NeoCom.

What, still using Windows XP? Time to upgrade.


(As a side note, it looks eerily similar to Ubuntu's Unity desktop as well. Though to my relief it didn't copy Unity's epic fail of how to access different applications.)

All you said is true.

And I dont understand why new neocom likers write in *this* Thread.

Just out of curiosity what resources would be wasted?

I prefered the old neocom, I didn't need to set it up for each character, it didn't flash at me, it didn't steal my minimised tabs. If the new one's better for you, great, but don't inflict it upon the rest of us.

After playing with it more last night, here are the issues I have with it.

1) I don't like that I can see through it. I like the old opaque one. It is entirely too transparent making it a bit difficult to even see the icons, let alone make out blinking and minimized windows which are mentioned further down.

2) I HATE that there is a link for the chat windows.... not only do I have the tabs blinking which annoys me cause I feel like I have to constantly check them, but now I have the icon blinking as well...

3) When the icons on the neocom are blinking they're so faint that I can't distinctly tell that they're blinking, so i'm constantly clicking on icons that I think are blinking that really aren't

4) When you minimize something now, it drops it to the neocom instead of the bottom of the screen. This wouldn't be so bad, but the problem is, like with the blinking Icons, it's so faint that you can't tell if you have that icon minimized, or if you closed it.

5) I'm pretty sure that the skill training bar is f'd up. When in your skill training menu, if you have a skill that takes longer than 24hrs, the bar at the top is solid blue. however, the neocom bar won't show that it's completely full.. So what measurement of time is it using???

6) When docked I have it selected to merge my ships and items with the station service panel... So why the hell do I have items and ships icons on my neocom??

7) Minimizing containers drops them on the neocom... This gets to be pretty annoying with several containers.

8) Instead of having some icons and then one icon with a sub folder which contains the calculator, notepad, logs, and whatever else, now I have an icon that shows a sub folder, and then more icons that show other sub folders....

9) While it's great that you can drag and drop icons onto your neocom, why the hell do I need to??? It was all there perfectly laid out with the old Neocom...

10) WTF is the point in a customizable neocom when all you're going to do is try to get it as close to the old neocom as possible? Wtf is the point of a customizable neocom when nothing on the neocom is different from what used to be on the neocom?? WTF is the point of customization when the only thing customizable about it is button locations??? This is the most limited customizable item I've ever seen.... You have a better selection for character customization in the NeX store than you have customization for the neocom, and anyone who's been to the NeX store knows that it is quite limited...

To me, there are two things good about it.

1) I can rearrange my icons (only true customizable part, you just gotta find the icons first)

2) It shows your training bar and it can be clicked to open straight to your training que(this is pretty awesome, even though I have no idea what measurement of time that bar is trying to show me.) Is it time left for that skill? Is it supposed to be a 24hr bar like in the skill que, or is it messed up?? IDK.

If it was customisable as it's meant to be, this wouldn't be an issue. But as always CCP shoot themselves in the foot and give us some half baked hash job. I thought they had learnt from the past and moved on from this.