EVE General Discussion

No problem CCP deserves their great numbers. Hell they deserve more.

I played SWTOR and Conan and WAR and several others I always come back here though.

If Steam would just fix that site and link to a boxed version of EVE

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/eve-online-special-edition

...which got plenty of reviews and a perfectly reasonable metascore.

Review sites rarely review free expansions. There is just too much stuff to review even when just sticking to stuff that costs money for the gamer.

(I also think it is slightly stupid that EVE has multiple entries in Metacritic but I guess it comes from the fact that any MMOs with paid expansion boxes have those as well, per expansion - and it makes sense as sites often do review boxed expansions that are not free)

Also for Crucible to have a metascore, it would require four gaming site reviews ("proper" reviews) so any number of user reviews are not going to help there...

that would be pointless, even with the expansion it doesn't change anything in the core game or really make any flashy changes.
i mean face it, a wow expansions adds whole new continents and crap which is basically a game inside the game
eve expansions add a feature and tweaks other items, basically reviewing crucible would be like reviewing the new nebula and new ships.

So, essentially what you're saying is that unless EVE expansions add new star systems, they're worthless? You can critisize the game for a lot of things, but that's amongst the things you simply can not do that. EVE isn't an instance based game where you just slant on a new raid or continent, it's an open ended sandbox where you expand it by adding more things to do in the game. What would you call things like wormholes, incursions, complexes, ships, modules, PI... etc etc if not content? In a game like this, even something that on the surface seems very small and insignificant, can have huge impact on the actual game play.

You can barely call games like WoW MMO thanks to their whole game play relying on instanced events. It's pretty much the exact same as they used to have in Diablo I and II, babble a bit on the chat and go whack some critters in the instance. Rinse and repeat. How is that even remotely same that what we have here, where absolutely everyone plays on the very same "instance"? The answer is, it plain and simply isn't.

The main qualifier for most review sites is;

"Does this cost money for the current player or potential resubber, so is anyone interested to know how good it is before they pay up?"

Apocrypha / "EVE Special Edition" had a new box on the store shelves so a review was useful for anyone running into this box at their local game store and wondering "hmm, is this any good?".

Crucible has no new box. It costs nothing to the existing subscribers. The only remaining angle would be the re-sub angle and it usually doesn't cause game sites to do a review unless the additions/changes are massive. Also MMOs are complex and time-consuming to review properly, so a slacking reviewer, when facing a choice between say, EVE and random linear shooter of the month will pick the random linear shooter of the month because he knows he can do the review based on few hours of play while EVE would take weeks or months to "get into" enough to do a proper review.

And I kinda know what I'm talking about since I wrote one of the reviews for "EVE Special Edition" (Apocrypha) back when it was new and yes, it is linked on Metacritic. I see no reason to review Crucible. I might consider re-reviewing EVE when it adds a major new gameplay element and would go over the recent previous patches on the side as well to "fill in the blanks" for someone who hasn't played EVE for a while. Dust 514 and the EVE linkage could be it, depends how much EVE side gameplay it will contain... and it would have the angle "well you might have played Dust 514 - here is how that other side of the game plays", aiming the review for PS3 pew pew guys who might consider getting EVE on their PC.

I'm surprised no professional game reviewers are playing eve, or if they are have kept writing about this game for review sites, maybe this thread will bring more attention to them to do something about it. But ya it might be a matter of petitioning CCP to take some initiative on it, after all regardless if reviewer's only use box'd expansions as a base, using the original 2003 game metascore is ridiculous. They should at least use a different box set with higher reviews if not crucible.

Weird thing, I have EvE, I play EvE, and yet I can't figure out how to add EvE from their Steam page. I have to manually add it and even then I can't add it to my favorite games list.

there is just to many 'better' games that EvE on steam.
Is like Dust why i will buy that when i can play Rage, COD, assasin creed, fight night, resident evil.
I play eve don't get me wrong and i do like the game but i personaly wont pay real money for it i guss am not the only one (you know groups of ppl are actualy made from single individuals).

There are, or at least there were. There was a guy who wrote for PC Gamer in the UK. He championed EVE for several years. Can't remember his name, but I'm pretty certain he was responsible for ensuring EVE got (well deserved) positive coverage for an extended period of time in that mag.