Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You don't understand how the sov system works, do you.

Also, in keeping with your example, I believe PL stomped a coalition of smaller alliances, including my own, without using supers a while back. You act like these alliances are one trick ponies, but a lot of them really aren't. Say they use some supers for a few hours on monday, and a bunch of smaller alliances go 'oh, hey, let's stomp them!' on tuesday, SBU everything, reinforce everything, win the first two ihub timers even. Then, the guys with the supers just bring a few of them for the final timer, keep the rest in reserve in case they need them, and curbstomp the smaller guys with a combination of supers and superior tactics. (I know, PL don't do sov, substitute for goons, raiden, solar or some other sov holder with a decent super fleet)

You would be making any alliance with supers still subbed (Most wouldn't be seeing as how they're never going to be used again) completely invulnerable.

I suppose it buffs dreads though, something has to do those boring structure grinds and die horribly in the process.

Please note, that right now you are speaking about tricks, tactics, reserves, supercaps actions and strikes planning because of limited amount of time they can be used.
Even if small alliances will still have no any chance to defeat large one, isn't it cool that people at least will have to think about all of this, instead of dully usage of supercaps blob?

Of course somebody sometimes will be selling some fuel. But i'm sure that fuel amounts in these deals will be very small in comparison with fuel consumption in large alliances, so you can don't care about it in terms of balance.

About spies caution in large alliances - i hope you remember how Band of Brothers was destroyed? So really, stop thinking wishfully.

About freighter with fuel in logoff - i didn't try to suggest most effective solution in terms of logistics, if you didn't understand. I suggested most secure/paranoic solution, since logged off ship is completely inaccessible.
If you can suggest effective and reliable solution of supercap fuel storage which completely prevents sabotage, then suggest it - i'm interested in it.

Any other objections? I still didn't get even a single serious one. Only groundless cryings "Large alliance will still be able to buy all stuff and wipeout everybody"

You again completely wrong. Nobody will engage 30+supers against small sabotage group. Because this means completely ineffective, idiotic spending of supercap fuel.
Ok, let's suppose that sabotage group attacked your miners. You proudly activate and engage your 30+ supers and kill sabotage group. They lost 1B isk. You lost 15+B isk. And probably more supercap fuel than your miners will dig. While your enemy already sending second sabotage group to your miners 1 hour and 5 minutes later. You will spend another 15+B isk on another hour of 30+ supers activity? Try to think before suggesting


Yeah, again pure dreams. Of course, dreadnoughts will be without support and logistic/subcap support; of course, there will be not more than 10 dreadnoughts per titan; Of course, there are no subcap jammers that could jam a pair of carriers...


I believe they can. But you still don't understand, that small alliances also can fight in BS size, but cannot fight against supercap blob. That's the difference.


Yeah, since millions of flies land on a **** - then **** should be sweet and tasty - flies cannot be mistaken. You logics is quite funny

Oh no, a 1b ISK fleet. Bridge in 200 doctrine geddons, they're dead. No supers involved.


You bring jammers, jammers die or are jammed themselves due to their inferior numbers. The jammers will almost certainly die before either of the supers is in danger. Especially if you only brought ten dreads per super cap.

Alternatively, one of the carriers goes hero mode and hits triage, repping the super before it dies itself. All of this is a moot point because you are incorrectly assuming large alliances only use supercaps. Here is a small fleet I was part of today to give you an idea of how wrong that is. We had jams, heavy logistics, dreads and carriers on standby. Without the supers, we'd have had more standard carriers and your small alliance would still have been screwed.

Under super cap fuel mechanics we'd have left the supers at home. Where they'd be on standby unless they were needed, a concept you still don't seem capable of grasping.


I can assure you, alliances of the size you are thinking of cannot stand against the giant networks of established alliances and their blues. Super caps or not.

Again, here is a much better proposal than your own to help tackle the issue of alliance power blocks. I suggest you go and support it.

Ah, i see, another fantasies :) Now suggest, how you will make 200 pvp pilots staying during 10-15 hours near your miners, to defend them from possible sabotage


Of course, enemy has only stupid jammers, and only your pilots are clever


So you confirmed that supercap blobs will disappear from daily fights, and much more PVP will be without supers at all, or with 1-2 supers as flagmans. Thanks, that's what i proposed to get by supercaps fuel introduction.


Yes, of course. And once alliance became big, it will be invulnerable and eternal. Tell that Band of Brothers


Yes, i like that ideas. Voted for that topic

Of course not, the miners dock up because they see your fleet coming. Then they call a CTA and blob the area with a 200 strong fleet, destroying as many of the attacking alliance as possible. If they've left the area, then big deal, maybe the aggressors got to mine for thirty minutes before the CTA fleet arrived.

Point is with scouts and an intel network, you won't even kill the miners. So unless you plan on hanging around there and mining yourself, you aren't going to achieve anything. And if you hang around, you'll have a very big fleet coming.


No, they just outnumber you.


You don't seem to understand what it means when I say "THE SUPER CAPITALS WILL JUMP IN IF THE FLEET IS THREATENED". This means aggressors will not attack unless they can both beat your sub-cap structure bashing fleet, and the super cap fleet you have in reserve. To attack with anything less would be deliberately whelping a fleet.


Because BoB died to a small alliance using limited resources. Oh wait, no.

So you're going to use AFK cloaking tactics to deny a major alliance limited resources in locations you don't know about? And you're going to achieve this consistently? Good luck. Even assuming alliances don't just rapidly locate and ninja mine this stuff, if it's that valuable they will redeploy briefly and just blob the area. Probably decimating whatever alliance previously inhabited the systems in the process.

You're also still assuming alliances like goons/pl will mine this stuff themselves, when the majority of them won't. They'll buy it.


And you should learn to read the part of a character's bio where it say it's an alt. And yes, this is an alt too. I bought it a while back because I couldn't be bothered to train fighters/fighter bombers to five on my main.

Hell, even the toon I was posting on was in a null sec alliance a few weeks after it was created. (Admittedly a terrible one, I used it to get access to CVA's intel channels for a little bit.)

And while we're on that topic, how about you post on your main? Let's see what a keen strategist you are in game, eh?

If it costs so much ISK to online your supers why would you jump them in unless your fleet was engaged by a superior force? If your subcap fleet is engaged by a superior force, it must be considerable, and you're going to wipe out the majority of that force. It is going to cost you a hell of a lot of whelp fleets to dent a major alliance's wallet this way.

Nope
This account was especially created and payed to initiate this topic anonymously, without showing main. Otherwise, i'm afraid i'd be just kicked from my corp