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0.0 fix - Nurf Moon Goo!!
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-01-24 14:51:46 UTC
Orion GUardian wrote:
I wonder: Why do people think moonmining would give the normal nullsec player ANYTHING?

Unless you are an Alliance CEO that skims of his fellow mates (and steals from the alliance at that) you have no gain whatsoever from Moons. Most Alliances I know put their moonincome into "Ship replacement Programs"to defend into subsiding Capital ships to defend, paying for sov to hold an defend some more.

I would doubt that from 10*7B/month Moons a rich alliance may own only 1% is going into someones pockets to get rich. Unless ofc your alliance CEO is an ass which may as well be the case for alot of allies I don't see the audits ;) But the normal Nullsec player will enver see a single ISK of that unless he gets a ship replaced he LOST during defense


"We'll reimburse any ship loss you take while PvPing."

"Here's your monthly stipend from our tech income."

Which of those two would you say promotes more activity?

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#42 - 2012-01-24 14:55:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
Orion GUardian wrote:
I wonder: Why do people think moonmining would give the normal nullsec player ANYTHING?

Unless you are an Alliance CEO that skims of his fellow mates (and steals from the alliance at that) you have no gain whatsoever from Moons. Most Alliances I know put their moonincome into "Ship replacement Programs"to defend into subsiding Capital ships to defend, paying for sov to hold an defend some more.

I would doubt that from 10*7B/month Moons a rich alliance may own only 1% is going into someones pockets to get rich. Unless ofc your alliance CEO is an ass which may as well be the case for alot of allies I don't see the audits ;) But the normal Nullsec player will enver see a single ISK of that unless he gets a ship replaced he LOST during defense


"We'll reimburse any ship loss you take while PvPing."

"Here's your monthly stipend from our tech income."

Which of those two would you say promotes more activity?


If I pay you.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-01-24 15:10:46 UTC
Lets make all of Eve highsec.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#44 - 2012-01-24 15:22:37 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Lets make all of Eve highsec.


I've always supported making it all null sec. I think we can agree that wouldn't work out so well for CCP though.

OP: We all agree, Moon Goo is a serious imbalance to null population. The solution isn't as easy to diagnose. See Jita Technecium for what it is. Extra. The 100K price is relative. It was 60K when PI was all seeds and its all relative to cost of mining it.

Super Caps aren't and never were designed to hold Sov, they are designed to take it. PvP recruitments are designed to fight wars, not keep the peace. No alliance pads the wallets of thier members with moon goo. Its a maintenance income. It goes deeper than just Moon Goo. When we had intended Dominion Sov indices, people were in null in droves. They nerfed that and people left. There is nothing to do in Null expect PvP and even that gets old if you burn out on it.
Orion Guardian
#45 - 2012-01-24 15:23:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Orion GUardian wrote:
I wonder: Why do people think moonmining would give the normal nullsec player ANYTHING?

Unless you are an Alliance CEO that skims of his fellow mates (and steals from the alliance at that) you have no gain whatsoever from Moons. Most Alliances I know put their moonincome into "Ship replacement Programs"to defend into subsiding Capital ships to defend, paying for sov to hold an defend some more.

I would doubt that from 10*7B/month Moons a rich alliance may own only 1% is going into someones pockets to get rich. Unless ofc your alliance CEO is an ass which may as well be the case for alot of allies I don't see the audits ;) But the normal Nullsec player will enver see a single ISK of that unless he gets a ship replaced he LOST during defense


"We'll reimburse any ship loss you take while PvPing."

"Here's your monthly stipend from our tech income."

Which of those two would you say promotes more activity?


The first one ;)

I am not in Opposition to your point I am in fact trying to reinforce it. Because I just cannot understand how people can actually say: "Moon Goo makes all nullsecpeople RICH!!!!"

I mean that statement is wrong....the only people who would get rich would be people betraying their comrades. I didn't want to assume all alliance leaders do ;) So I apologize for not ebing clear on that:

I believe that most Alliance leaders do not **** their members, but I thinks its highly possible some do (especially my enemies :P) I am quite content with getting my ships replaced ;) Free Scimitars!
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-01-24 16:19:49 UTC
Orion GUardian wrote:
I believe that most Alliance leaders do not **** their members, but I thinks its highly possible some do (especially my enemies :P) I am quite content with getting my ships replaced ;) Free Scimitars!


Let me tell you about OWN alliance and how they were allowed to live in Deklein with Tech moons, they only partially reimbursed their pilots for some fleet ships, and how TEST sent a UN aid convoy of badgers to anchor cans full of water, grain and livestock outside their station to help their impoverished peoples.

They eventually got kicked out and paid White Noise something like 40bn a month to rent a constellation in Vale with no access to tech, which they could afford due to hoarding their moon income and exploiting their members.

I'd like to think that cases like OWN are rare.
Orion Guardian
#47 - 2012-01-24 16:25:37 UTC
Jafit: I remember OWN and the stuff that happened in Deklein and I myself like to think that there are very few alliance leaderships doing such stuff.

I myself get reimbursed 100% for every ship I lose so I cannot complain, but I lose this ships for the alliance anyway, so it only seems natural to be reimbursed ;)
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#48 - 2012-01-24 16:27:43 UTC
I think the making moon mining deplete and spawn at diffident moons in a constellation every couple of months give or take the intensity of how their mined could shake things up. But all n' all my understanding of moon goo is rather limited to blowing up POS parts and taking the goo.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Captain Carius
#49 - 2012-01-24 16:47:05 UTC
What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-01-24 16:52:06 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Orion GUardian wrote:
I believe that most Alliance leaders do not **** their members, but I thinks its highly possible some do (especially my enemies :P) I am quite content with getting my ships replaced ;) Free Scimitars!


Let me tell you about OWN alliance and how they were allowed to live in Deklein with Tech moons, they only partially reimbursed their pilots for some fleet ships, and how TEST sent a UN aid convoy of badgers to anchor cans full of water, grain and livestock outside their station to help their impoverished peoples.

They eventually got kicked out and paid White Noise something like 40bn a month to rent a constellation in Vale with no access to tech, which they could afford due to hoarding their moon income and exploiting their members.

I'd like to think that cases like OWN are rare.


would you like to post your accounts please? I mean dont you and goons feck over their own new members by scamming them?

Jeezzz
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-01-24 17:17:26 UTC
Captain Carius wrote:
What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?



nope because they really wouldn't last long as a sov-holding entity

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Captain Carius
#52 - 2012-01-24 17:21:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Captain Carius wrote:
What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?



nope because they really wouldn't last long as a sov-holding entity


and that would be because????
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#53 - 2012-01-24 17:23:57 UTC
Remove everything from the game that dosen't directly benefit me personally.
sasuk
New Eden Construction Co
#54 - 2012-01-24 17:25:48 UTC
put moon goo in 0.5 and 0.6 systems that would sort out the issue lol
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-01-24 17:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Captain Carius wrote:
Andski wrote:
Captain Carius wrote:
What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?



nope because they really wouldn't last long as a sov-holding entity


and that would be because????


"Hey guys our sov is under attack, I expect you all to fight for it without reimbursements or any ship replacement whatsoever"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-01-24 17:31:33 UTC
sasuk wrote:
put moon goo in 0.5 and 0.6 systems that would sort out the issue lol


ahahahahah no

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Captain Carius
#57 - 2012-01-24 17:39:37 UTC
Andski wrote:
Captain Carius wrote:
Andski wrote:
Captain Carius wrote:
What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?



nope because they really wouldn't last long as a sov-holding entity


and that would be because????


"Hey guys our sov is under attack, I expect you all to fight for it without reimbursements or any ship replacement whatsoever"


Except that the RMT Corp is manned by chinese who work for fish tacos and bankrolled by the RMT websites for which this is a business and not your SOV chestbeating rights. Sorry, you lose. (If this isn't so Goon, then why haven't you wiped out the Russian element yet? Or is Novator and company too good for your Leet skills to deals with. Or maybe, just maybe, the Goons are in on it too? Nooo, couldn't be.)
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2012-01-24 17:57:35 UTC
Andski wrote:
Captain Carius wrote:
Andski wrote:
Captain Carius wrote:
What an innocent bunch you people are.

You know, if I was an investor that was really focussed on making money out of a game like EVE, I wouldn't change the moons because it is one of the primary mechanisms designed into the game that funnels isk into the Zero RMT Corps that supply RMT websites. Furthermore, I would own and operate those RMT Corps and websites through third party ownership and farm the crap out of it. Then I would charge players in the game monthly isk "rentals" to participate as a defender of the isk printing Zero RMT operations. So those players not only pay a monthly subscription fee for Eve, but they are also being farmed for additional isk.

Now that would truly be the greatest scam of New Eden's history.

But , of course, this could never happen, could it?



nope because they really wouldn't last long as a sov-holding entity


and that would be because????


"Hey guys our sov is under attack, I expect you all to fight for it without reimbursements or any ship replacement whatsoever"



risk free pvp?? i know we shall just lose 200 ships, dont worry theres plenty more... gtfo... you basically saying shoot and lose as much as you want with no consequences?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-01-24 18:17:20 UTC
WhyTry1 wrote:
risk free pvp?? i know we shall just lose 200 ships, dont worry theres plenty more... gtfo... you basically saying shoot and lose as much as you want with no consequences?


nobody asked for your worthless forum alt opinion

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-01-24 18:21:48 UTC
Captain Carius wrote:
Except that the RMT Corp is manned by chinese who work for fish tacos and bankrolled by the RMT websites for which this is a business and not your SOV chestbeating rights. Sorry, you lose. (If this isn't so Goon, then why haven't you wiped out the Russian element yet? Or is Novator and company too good for your Leet skills to deals with. Or maybe, just maybe, the Goons are in on it too? Nooo, couldn't be.)


maybe you haven't noticed but we kinda kicked white noise out of branch

now who the **** is novator

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