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Grifers and *elite* whiners - shut up

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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-01-24 16:41:30 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Lady Hofstedar wrote:

PvP in empire is killing EVE

2million isk a week to make you this grumpy is money well spent


Win... Pirate
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#62 - 2012-01-24 16:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
They can flame me all they want


They have anyway but it's nice you gave them permission.

P.S. If PvP in Empire was going to kill EvE it would have YEARS ago.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Kemonia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-01-24 16:48:45 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
I am quite happy with EvE Online

I am simply summing up my experience of EvE Online in certain circumstances. I have plenty of ISk because i earn enuff isk (rl money) out of game xD So i can sub myself that way.

The horrible comments and downright rudeness simply project what is wrong with eve, slippermonkey is just another asskey monkey with a bad attitude. He'd be the Horde rogue that hangs around outside stormwind, he'd be the **** sniper in bf3, he'd be the noobtuber in mw3. Its just who he is.

I am VERY happy with my corp and its members, we have fun, we die, we kill, we have fun, I am simply making a statement.

Nothing i said is untrue no matter how much anyone wishes it otherwise, this has to be said.

PvP in empire is killing EVE

War decs should be 100mil per week to corps where 50% of the member base operate in empire. You should NOT be allowed to fire on targets you are not at war with i.e sucicide ganking.

There are several small fixes that could qujite easily make an amazing mmo with millions of players

I apologise for not responding sooner but as i was picking my sons up from school and dropping friends children home, i took awhile.

EvE Online is a game and there are to many people who wake up, have no jobs, and spend there life on here making everyone elses life misrable, sumone has to stand up for that.


Would like to see something along these line's as well Smile
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-01-24 16:50:14 UTC
I agree with the OP in ways. Trying to force hi-sec players to come to null-sec to pvp will never work. People stay in hi-sec for a reason, because they enjoy it for whatever reason. Take away that enjoyment, or reduce it, may get you a few players in null but the majority will quit or reduce their playing time.

I don't think the recent attacks on incursions is because of this though
Tore Vest
#65 - 2012-01-24 16:55:17 UTC
Its a lot of green ppl here...
Green of envy Bear

No troll.
Prince Kobol
#66 - 2012-01-24 16:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
Honestly, I thing the prevalence of "griefing" is pretty exaggerated. For the most part I see a majority of the high-sec dwellers going about their business fairly unimpeded.

I am also a bit disappointed by the relative lack of organization and creativity that many high-sec corps exhibit. For instance, after running missions with relatively few losses for an extended amount of time, why is hiring a mercenary corp considered a bad investment? Why isn't there a contingency fund set aside for these "rainy days"? What about rallying other like-minded corps into some kind of coalition or alliance?


How much do your average merc corp charge?

If were talking billions of isk then what is the point. A lot easier and cheaper to just get everybody to leave the corp for x amount of time until the corp war deccing you is bored then re-join.

Some of what the OP is true whilst some of it is false.

Eve's worst enemy are the players themselves.

You just have to look at the forums to see this, null sec players who think Eve should revolve around them because only null sec is import and all other parts of the game and players who play in it are pointless.

Perhaps they are right.

Maybe CCP should make all Empire and Low sec into null, remove concord since it would be no longer needed and then lets see how long Eve would last as a game since according to many null sec players its all that matters.

I mean after all if you don't play in null sec you have zero opinion and zero importance as were all just scrubs Big smile
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#67 - 2012-01-24 16:58:54 UTC
Dear OP,

wat?
SpaceSquirrels
#68 - 2012-01-24 17:05:37 UTC
Can't take their frustration out in null so have to focus it else where... Such is life. Improve small scale pvp in null and things may change in empire.
Mr John22ta
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-01-24 17:07:46 UTC

Valei Khurelem wrote:

but the problem is, there is no effective way to combat them that doesn't revolve around having billions of ISK, fleets or a tech 2 or higher ship at your disposal, it's just utterly pointless claiming this game is a sandbox when one play style cannot counter the other as you'd expect in a GAME.




Confirming this, if you are a billionaire, or can fly a T2 ship, you are invincible. Roll After all , we know that these players entered the game being able to fly and fit T2, it's not like they spent the time training for it. So unfair having to train for better ships/weapons, or learn common tactics for protecting yourself and you buddies.

Those evil billionaires and their invicible T2 ships. I eagerly await the day when someone manages to destroy one of these Over Powered and unfair T2 variants. Lol Until then, I guess we are helpless against the unfair scourge that is T2. If only I could counter them by understanding/learning their strengths and weaknesses and uses, then develope tactics to counter them. To much effort, it is surely impossible.


Valei Khurelem wrote:

Why should players who don't want anything to do with combat be forced to train skills for days, grind ISK for hours just to get onto a level playing field with griefers


No one is "forced" to train "combat" skills, but it helps. If you choose not to, that's your fault, and just like real life, you have to accept the consequences of poor planning/decision making. As for ISK making, OMG the horror.

Another thing you need to remember is that these "griefers" did not start out with the skills and knowledge needed to do what they do. You have access to the exact same resources (ingame) as they do. The fact you are unable to work this out and/or do something about it speaks volumes about you.

Valei Khurelem wrote:

who's only objective in the game is to try and make others miserable when they can just go ahead and unsub, play minecraft and have far more fun that way in a lot less time?


Perhaps you should unsub and play minecraft? Or better yet, something single player because you obviously dislike the fact that people can interact with you and your buddies in ways that you dislike. EVERYTHING in Eve is PVP, EVERYTHING. If you're to dumb to understand that and label those that compete "griefers", perhaps you need to HTFU or move on.

Valei Khurelem wrote:

The logic on this forum is baffling.


The only thing you've written that I can actually agree with.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#70 - 2012-01-24 17:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Delarge
Lady Hofstedar wrote:

The horrible comments and downright rudeness simply project what is wrong with eve

Funny how you complain about peoples attitudes and you type this in another thread:
Lady Hofstedar wrote:

Bottom line is, the majority of EvE Players are players banned from other mmos for the same kinda behaviour. Mostly because they are nerdy, overweight socially rejected children who still live with there mummies and daddies because theya re scared of the real world and subsequently live on eve online which in effect becomes there life

You get everything you deserve if thats how you speak to people.
Lady Hofstedar wrote:

Nothing i said is untrue no matter how much anyone wishes it otherwise, this has to be said.

Pretty much all of what you said is just paranoid delusions based on what a few idiots have said on the forums.
Lady Hofstedar wrote:

PvP in empire is killing EVE

Then why has Eve steadily grown for the last 7 years? The only time the number of people playing took a dip was post Incarna and over the last few months the number of people on line has started to increase.

Lady Hofstedar wrote:
EvE Online is a game and there are to many people who wake up, have no jobs, and spend there life on here making everyone elses life misrable, sumone has to stand up for that.

You havn't stood up against anything. All you did was post a bunch of half truths and ignorant assumptions based on what you read on the forums.
Prince Kobol
#71 - 2012-01-24 17:08:46 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Can't take their frustration out in null so have to focus it else where... Such is life. Improve small scale pvp in null and things may change in empire.


Your just being silly now Big smile

Like I said, we should get rid of High and low sec and make all of Eve null sec.

So what if say half of those who play in High Sec quit.. big deal.

After all were just scrubs who have play no importance to Eve in anyway shape or form so would it really matter if half of high sec players quit?
SpaceSquirrels
#72 - 2012-01-24 17:24:48 UTC
The almighty "just make it all null" argument. Come on now tis a silly argument. It should be examined and see if pvp in null has in fact dropped off over the years. AS A RATIO TO PLAYER BASE. Not just numerically. (It would be higher because eve has grown over the years.)
Ammatar Ata
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-01-24 17:37:57 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
So basically, the OP is bad at this game but it is somebody elses fault.

its all so clear now


I honestly don't understand how some people like you just constantly post on the forums. I mean, do you even play EVE, or do you just say you do to validate your presence on the forums?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#74 - 2012-01-24 17:45:21 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
kenxi wrote:
OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^


New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you.

New players also have it a lot better than I did when I started.
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-01-24 17:48:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
kenxi wrote:
OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^


New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you.


Imagine the size of the playerbase had newbies not been thrown to the lions, I'm betting that CCP wouldn't have had to chop 20% of their employees.

There is a minority segment of players in this game that have a disproportionate voice and they are the ones that will be responsible for the downfall of Eve.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2012-01-24 17:56:35 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
kenxi wrote:
OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^


New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you.


Imagine the size of the playerbase had newbies not been thrown to the lions, I'm betting that CCP wouldn't have had to chop 20% of their employees.

There is a minority segment of players in this game that have a disproportionate voice and they are the ones that will be responsible for the downfall of Eve.


EVE would not be the game it is and would most likely have gone the way just just about every other MMO to come out over eves life. EVE is unique and the moment it stops being so it will die.

Eve rewards risk takers and punishes the stupid, long may it do so.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2012-01-24 18:07:14 UTC
TL;DR Eve is dying
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#78 - 2012-01-24 18:12:28 UTC
Ok which one of you bastards here stole the OP's sweet roll? Shocked

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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-01-24 18:14:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Elessa Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
kenxi wrote:
OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^


New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you.


Imagine the size of the playerbase had newbies not been thrown to the lions, I'm betting that CCP wouldn't have had to chop 20% of their employees.

There is a minority segment of players in this game that have a disproportionate voice and they are the ones that will be responsible for the downfall of Eve.


EVE would not be the game it is and would most likely have gone the way just just about every other MMO to come out over eves life. EVE is unique and the moment it stops being so it will die.

Eve rewards risk takers and punishes the stupid, long may it do so.


I am not saying that it shouldn't reward risk takers and punish the stupid, though I do believe that there are ways to go about that without driving off people before they really even have a chance to truly experience the game.

Imagine how much more "Eve" Eve could be with the increased funding CCP would get through a larger playerbase. Does this stop the asshats from being asshats?

Sadly, no.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Publius Valerius
AirGuard
LowSechnaya Sholupen
#80 - 2012-01-24 18:20:08 UTC
The OP had actually some good points.

Tycko Celchu wrote:
EvE is fine, your money printin machine is broken so if ccp cant fix it fast enough we fix it for them, EvE doesnt need more people at all, move along.


I never though I would read one day something like this.

I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer