EVE General Discussion

So If you watched the in development video you will have noticed the announcement of more pirate shipyards.
This is hugely concerning that time is being wasted on developing these. They are totaly pointless. nobody is interested in running them. Why? because it requires 60 ish people to run and there is little to no reward for the majority of those 60ish pilots.
Proof is in the blood raider one. No one is bothering with it. It's been weeks and there is basically zero effort to find or run it.
Honestly Devs. Start watching and listening to your players. No one is interested in running a site they will get nothing out of. This has been discussed at length in our alliance so probably in other alliances and the same thing happens each time. Every one says "why would i want to go on that fleet?". If they go on it, There a huge chance of losing a ship to npc (probably an expensive one). If you don't get killed by NPC, you will probably get killed by the hostile players who have turned up to just screw with you. Because it's basically a free dinner and If you then kill the thing and it drops loot, the chances of seeing anything from it are almost zero, as it will go straight to alliance wallet or a fleet commander.

The other side of this coin is the fact that you not only think we want more useless content. But you are actively ignoring the two things nearly every player has asked you to fix. Citadel spam and fozzy sov. This is turning into an incarna level scandal.
You want to add new faction capitals? Fine Put them in the belt super carrier and titan npc spawns on a 5% drop. So they are actually rare and actually accessible to individual pilots and actually give people a reason to belt rat instead of just smart bombing rock havens for 400mill a hour.
DEV TEAM.
GET A GRIP.

the know the shipyard are only completeable by the people who own the region right. like null blocks.
it provides zero content for 99% of players and gives a small percentage of a drop for one guy. and theyre completely abusable as goons went and did the first ones in punishers. they were a bad idea poorly implemented and an overall waste of time.

So when there are 5 up at once all over the galaxy, then a lot more people can access them, and some will be further away from blocs and a lot closer to other people that want to run them and there is the general principle that they need to keep developing fleet and gang pve content. They don't have to perfectly replicate the decisions on the blood raider one for other races.

Its also not an abuse to complete the content in the ships that are capable of completing the content, CCP just has to be encouraged to look at how the content is run, and you are simaltaneously complaining about it being for 1% of players, AND it being completed with a very accessible ship.

Also I'm glad if CCP stops part delivering things and keeps on working until they are nicely polished features.

Oh and lets not even start talking about escalation. Where Goons decide to run the blood raider one with the full supercap fleet and 200 fax. Resulting in NPC response having to be so op its game breaking. (I mean from pure lag).

its only a 60 player event if you do it in frigates. You can do it with less players with other fleet configurations. Not only that, I never advocated that the other events be copy pastes of this one, nor would I expect that they all take the same numbers to defeat.



Surely a pvp organisation like init, likes the idea of a large gankable group forming up to run something in syndicate or cloud ring.



Goons have internal agreements on the loot, and internal trust that everyone will get a suitable reward. There are several people in CAS that I would trust to do the same, and surely you have people in init that are similarly trustable ? You seem to be describing an organisational problem as an encounter problem, when really, its an organisational problem.

Furthermore, once goons work out a strategy they'll just keep using it forever, which will rapidly diminish its value as a test bed. Putting it in front of peak autism doesn't necessarily mean its ready for everyone.



there isn't any reason that the other events can't be sized to some arbitrary concept of a small corp, but incursions and wormholes already fill those size categories.



CCP cannot possibly assign their entire workforce to sov, and YOU have the hide to call me naive.

In any case, in a place like syndicate, there are npc stations all over, you can have replacement ships, and/or pvp ships to hand and set your clones there too, and there currently happens to be a very large mercenary organisation based in FD that will likely accept money to protect an operation / get paid off to not attack it themselves.

ie nullsec is political, and politics can be worked to ones advantage, particularly if there is money on the table.

Look...CCP will continue to build null sec only sites that pay out income to null sec only power blocs because they are directed to, and also CCP does not care a whit about the rest of their player base.

Just the idea that CCP plans on creating more of these proves my comment.

The OP is complaining that null has 1 visible dev assigned to null and he's doing content, not fixing sov. You guys are complaining that null has 1 dev assigned to content because its too much ?

Can't tell which one is worse, but both are pretty bad.

Indeed. Awesome thread shortly before the forums shut down .

If the take from these sites is not being distributed to all the people who participated in it, then the fault lies with the people organizing the fleet, not with CCP. if you aint getting your fair share, either demand your cut, or find a better group to fly with.

and yes, they are bait for third parties. THATS THE POINT!!! its not supposed to be 100% safe content that can be farmed to death, it is designed to encourage pvp action.

I sincerely hope they do fix that, and soon, because its current state is just bad for everything. and I do hope they are working on it.
HOWEVER ccp has multiple teams that each work on different aspects of the game.
I can't find a list anywhere of exactly which teams work on which content. but I would sincerely hope that the pvp balance team is not the exact same team that works on creating new pve content (although they likely work together)

Just because they are developing new pve content doesn't mean that they don't have other teams working on how to rebalance the pvp and sov systems. there are also only so many people you can have working on one project at a time before they start just getting in each others way and slowing the process down.
its not just a matter of "stop working on this part of the game and have everyone work on this other part" that won't actually get the fixes needed rolled out any faster, and in fact might slow them down.

I'm glad that they are working on new PVE content, even if this first iteration isn't perfect, it was always intended to be a "proof of concept" that they can iterate on in future. we have desperately needed a complete overhaul to the pve mechanics, and this could very well be the first step (replacing the massively over-farmed incursion system maybe?)

This isn't an either-or sittuation, they are capable of working on both. (although if they aren't then seriously they need to get on that)