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Large neuts being 100% effective vs small targets seems, broken?

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Preston De Kinks
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-07-14 12:01:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Preston De Kinks
Capital energy neuts are not 100% effective against smaller targets, they lose effectiveness. This keeps some balance, meaning a capital ship cannot easily totally empty the cap of a battleship or cruiser.

It seems a strange situation that this balance check only applies to capital neuts. Exactly the same situation of large neuts being too effective against medium and small ships occurs.

And yet large neuts are 100% effective against cruisers and frigates + medium neuts being 100% effective against frigates. A neut fit battleship or cruiser can easily empty the capacitor of smaller ship classes. Unless of course you're flying a capless setup or spamming capacitor boosters, either of which seem to be a requirement if you wish to do any kind of pvp. Even cap boosters won't help much against a larger neut heavy ship.

It's a bit like saying missile and turret damage calculations only apply for capital ships, whilst letting battleships and below always do full damage regardless of the missile and turret damage modifiers such as sig res, transversal etc. Why is not ok for capitals to easily wreck the capacitor of battleships and below but it is ok for battleships and cruisers to easily wreck the capacitor for smaller ships?

Can anyone tell me if there is a good reason that capital neuts suffer diminished effectiveness vs battleships and below yet this does not apply to non capitals neuts?
Keno Skir
#2 - 2017-07-14 13:50:07 UTC
It's the capital ones that are broken. Neuts were fine until someone decided the capital one needed castration, now a single BS can solo a carrier under neut pressure which is rediculous.
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-07-14 21:14:26 UTC
The whole idea behind needing large neuts against small ships is you can cap them out to escape.

If a cepter has you pointed, for example, you can neut him out and HOPEFULLY warp out of what is most definitely about to not be a successful encounter for you.

Honestly, I think a carrier should be able to apply neut pressure to battleships. Maybe not 100%, but definitely enough that they're capped out in 2-3 cycles without some cap boosters. Carriers are intended to be anti-subcap.

That said... everything in eve needs a counter, and battleships are ironically a good counter to an anti-subcap carrier.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2017-07-14 21:39:23 UTC
for years carriers were limited to using large neuts, cap neuts are a rather new item. I assume they are intended to be used in cap vs cap fights, which is why they are designed to be ineffective vs subcaps.

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P3ps1 Max
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-07-14 21:47:10 UTC
Allow them to be fitted on certain ships only.
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-07-14 21:48:15 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Allow them to be fitted on certain ships only.


How does that help the capital ship that needs to apply neut pressure to a smaller ship?
Teckos Pech
Patriotic Tendencies
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2017-07-14 23:22:52 UTC
Old Pervert wrote:
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Allow them to be fitted on certain ships only.


How does that help the capital ship that needs to apply neut pressure to a smaller ship?


Just curious, couldn't you put a smaller neut on a carrier--e.g. a large one? If your goal is to neut out a ceptor wouldn't large neuts suffice?

[Honest question, I haven't played with carrier fits in ages.]

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Good Sax
#8 - 2017-07-14 23:34:31 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
Allow them to be fitted on certain ships only.
And stifle the meta even more? The ships with neut bonuses on hull are very un-engageable and if the enemy has 1 brain cell they will bring a damp towel or ecm, making the fight not fun.