EVE General Discussion

The EVE community is probably the most patient community in the entire gaming industry.

• For over a year people are complaining that citadels are too hard to remove and provide too much safety. Yesterday CCP has finally reacted to the criticism. Knowing from the past how fast CCP works, it will probably take several months until we see some real nerfs.
• The Rorqual. CCP needed more than 6 months to balance it. Meanwhile mineral market crashed and goons built thousands of capitals.
• Carrier ratting. Created a huge influx of extra ISK, up to 60 trillion per month. CCP needed 6 months to react.
• Ghost farming. More than 6 months passed before CCP did somthing against it.
• The Svipul was overpowered for how long ... like 2 years?
• ...

It isn't really fair to say that CCP have given up on Eve.

No, that wrong. It is totally fair. What has happened is that the majority owners want to cash out their shares, resulting in the firm being on the market. This has had the effect of creating huge job insecurity at the firm. All anyone wants to talk about is what will happen "when" some new firm comes in for a clean acquisition.

There are some things we know about such firms. Firstly, nobody ever gets sacked. No boss ever sacks a person for poor performance when the firm is for sale. There is no point. It is seen by everyone as an appeal to nobody. The current shareholders are jumping ship, why would any manager do something unpleasant to a worker for those guys? So, they don't.

So that means everyone can down tools, and it's cool. Management stop leading and retreat into their elite huddles, swapping important (not) gossip and guessing at the possible aspirations of the "new owners". Low level workers get "promotions" that involve doing their bosses work, but for no extra pay. All across middle management, folks invent special projects that take them out of the daily grind, and into gossip circles. The firm goes into autopilot.

This has absolutely happened in Eve. Nothing new has been done for a very long time, and none of the half baked efforts that were being hailed as the next big thing have come to pass.

But there is the thing: not all companies that are put up for sale get sold. In fact, a lot of companies put on the market by their owners never get sold. They just wither and die. This is because folks generally don't want to sell them if they are healthy and growing, and most everybody with enough money to buy a company of any size can afford a half way decent commercial attorney to tell them this well established truism. It is easy to shark children and young adults from sheltered backgrounds. It is very, very difficult to sell a turd to somebody with a spare 200 million in cash.

Eve is a special case because the owners are clearly a bit "special". They do things a special way (the Iceland Nobleman's Shark Pump?). So, instead of arranging the sale BEFORE talking about it, the owners decided that the thing to do was tell everyone and then search for buyers.

How is that working out for ya, fellas?



As I have said before, Eve subscription is cheap entertainment for anyone curious about how companies die.

I previously held out hope that some serious games company would buy the firm for the art assets and some of the lore, but now I think the smarter money would simply poach the better staff, and pay artists to recreate a similar aesthetic in another franchise. One with no baggage.

I give CCP six to twelve months to find a buyer, or they are done. After that, I fear it it will be time to switch out the lights, set fire to the tax receipts, and shoot the warehouse cat.

CCP hasnt given up on eve. The trouble atm is they are doing what they want rather than what players want.

See the citadel cancer

Didn't CCP actually post record profits last year?

By "the game" you mean high sec. It is not the game, it's a tutorial zone of a game.

Refining penalties= less ore= higher price. At least in theory, overbuffed rorquals and ratting (gun mining) kept the price low, or even made it fall despite the reprocessing nerf. It also takes weeks (or months) to clear old caches and for the price to stabilize. Industry people know it's a very long-term business so those who left would leave anyway or were not true indies.

I hope it doesn't get sold, despite people rumbling how CCP is "killing the game" with each patch, it still survived 14 years of "dying".
EA would kill it in 2.
(old) Blizzard would keep it alive for a couple of years but the current team would screw it up harder than Cain got screwed up by a pink butterfly in D3.
Sony would turn it into a console game with dumbed down mechanics (and release even more dumbed down EvE 2 next year)...
And so on.

Forum warriors have given up on Eve-O. Sentiments such as these should have triggered a threadnought with at least double digit pages by now, even without customary 800 tippia posts. 2 pages over 2 days is very disappointing.

It's like when the canary in the mine stops chirping.

To be fair it`s not only ccp fault. its the new way of playing that kills the game or better say it`s bleeding to death. Slowly. What ccp is trying to do is stop it.

Without CCP releasing any sub numbers its hard to tell what is going on, fact is all my friends I played with over the past years since launch have left the game - maybe it just a sub population of older players that just loose interest in the game who knows.

From looking through the upcoming features I can say that there is nothing there of any substance addressing the many flaws that leads to stagnation , null , empire wherever.

I am not sure if CCP wants to sell or if it is more difficult than we can imagine to handle the ancient code in a way that brings meaningful gameplay back into this "really not so sandboxy" sandbox or if it is indeed resignation.

In any case I agree that this game has become unnecessarily complicated - sov mechanics are one example or fitting mechanics or constant ship re-balancing that makes 50 % of the ships in-game unusable 10% OP and the rest are sub optimal but flyable. It seems that there is no real plan that drives all the patches and re-balancing and that they are only reacting to whatever enters their perception.

In all honesty I am not obsessed with eve anymore - I like to play it sometimes and will continue to support CCP as I have already invested too much in this game.Although I am really not happy with the way things are going! I am pretty sure the next iteration of EVE will be without me as CCP is clearly not trustworthy enough to invest long term.

In my opinion they have broken ALL promises and are traitors to their own vision of EVE - see f2p/p2w/skill injectors/PLEX.

Are you trying to suggest you do other things, than posting on the official EvE forums?

Pull the other one