Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The basics of engaging PvP is extremely simple, mandatory is:

• Near to equal equipment i.e. starting chances.
• Engaging options during a fight.
• A sound risk/reward balance.

I would say EVE fails the first, and is barely average in the other two.
So why all this "high-pitched" articles on PvE vs PvP? If the basic requirements for engaging PvP are not met there is little use in looking further.

Eve tries to be the following in that order:

• A sandbox openworld game.
• A trade/economy simulation.
• A roleplaying and character building/leveling game.
• A spaceship simulation.
• PvE experience.
• PvP experience.

The interesting part is that it does all that at the same time, being the ultimate real time simulation experience.
But it can clearly be seen that PvP is the last bullet of the list. That is also the reason why the points from the first list are not properly implemented.

Eve is successfully integrating the points from the second list in one simulation, there are two key questions;
How meaningful is it to have all this in one package?
How can one aspect be improved without hurting the others?

Lets take PvP as an example, not because it is particularly interesting but because there is so much hot air about it.
Look at any real life recognized dispute able to qualify as entretaining and worth of attention. That would be a sport like football, F1 Racing etc.. All those engagements have a extremely specific ruleset, that warrantee the fist point of the first list.
Any other type of real-life engagement is performed solely as part of business, hatred or love.

What sense does it make to promote for example T2 vs T1 fights? None at all, it would only compell to cheaters and people seeing the T1 interfering with their business or the hatred part like for example territorial defense claims.

Learn the hard counters and you will do just fine. There are lots of t1 ships that with the right fittings can easily win fights against a fully t2 setup. Its all about countering your opponent. Sure its fun to dual on equal terms but THAT AINT EVE. LF dual in trade hub if you want to have a "fair fight"

As posted before even in WOW open world pvp does not have to be fair. 3 rogues could unstealth and gank my ass as lvl 60s and im lvl 45 lol.

1. "Fair", fights are for idiots. 20 v 1 is the way to go.

Wait......did i say 20 v 1?

I meant 50 v 1 (because overkill is just barely reasonable).



2. There are a lot of engaging combat options in eve already.



3. You can choose between fully lopsided profit making piracy (waves at CODE, Marmite and others), fairly balanced pvp loot dropping (those fights where the numbers, abilities and ship composition have actually turned out relatively equal).

Of course there is my corp's personal favorite, just blow your **** up and leave it there because we are f***-ton rich and flying 20km to your dead ship and pushing the loot button is way too much effort for a measly 500 million ISK.

We might loot your corpse; however, so we can take it home and do some obscene and kinky stuff to it and yes, there will be video footage!

So if you get the feeling of being seriously violated after you get into your new clone dont make the mistake of thinking it was because you lost a ship. It is just us, 'partying' with your old clone.

I recommend next time you start with questions. As an alpha player, odds are you're quite new to the game. Everything you've cited is considered a "plus".

1) Eve has a very steep learning curve.

2) This game has consequences to popping. That means people who want you to be the one that pops will bring friends to help make sure you're the one who pops. It's not fair, but it's quite realistic of them and in no way should they be prevented from doing this to you.

3) That you see PVP as the last bullet is the most telling sign that you are either woefully inexperienced or just a terribad vet. PVP exists in virtually every aspect of the game, and in any area that it does not directly exist, you must always be aware that it could very quickly exist.

4) As others said, you start PVPing before you even undock. I like to start with a little lube in my backside, so that if I happen to be on the receiving end of "lolsurprise", it doesn't suck quite as bad. The important thing is to not let them see you cry, and the lube helps with that!

Today a look at the security system.

The concept of a mighty police watching over population is not something new to game, games or even the real world.
The police is one of many arms of the executive power.
It works only in conjunction with the legislative power and the judiciary power.
Within EVE the CONCORD entity unites executive and judiciary power on the claim that it is programmed and not subject to arbitrary descision making.
There are sandbox games without police so why is it that we need a police and what about the imposed legislation?
The short answer is that legislation and police are there to protect the new players from the sharks. In the outher regions of space there is no such thing as police and players are free to perish as they may or may not desire.
Basically lawless territory leaves the protection of a player to himself, imposing a burden that may become potential if adressed in a group.
What about the upper and lower house of the senate for the sectors where law applies?
That tasks are relegated to the game developer who defines not only what and how the universe is but also how the player is allowed to interact with it.

For transparency reasons the developer have assigned some 10 security status numbers ranging from 0.0, 0.1...1.0 to solar systems with corresponding law. This classification and variations, are used as balancing factor in several ways for other aspects of the EVE universe.
There are lot of shady aspects to it, like criminal and suspect flags that wear off rather quickly.

Overall I feel there is not much more worth to say other than player and developers are still looking for creative ways to find holes and spaces in and arround the law enforcing agency.