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Tengu changes on SISI \, solo PVE, missiles, drones

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Rumi Shanti
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#1 - 2017-06-29 12:02:01 UTC
Is it just me or is the Tengu loosing its place as one of the solo PVE ships of choice for wh, lo and nul? I was trying to set it up using the new design and I can't find ways to shield tank like before, while maintaining enough power grid for missiles. Also, the lows seem fairly anemic for any kind of armor tanking, no matter how you lay it out. I did not by any means consider it overpowered before the changes.

I trained for the Tengu for ratting and data/relic exploration in Wh and nul. Now that every new player seems to be doing this, the payouts aren't worth it, so I am more likely going to be hunting exploration hunters (ambush), and running escalations. I am also trained for the Purifier, Rook (which would be great for this but bad DPS with my skills) , Barghest, Orthrus, Garmur, and SOE ships. The reason why I can't use the Stratios for this (which would be perfect) is that for weapons, I literally only have missile skills. The Falcon is another ship that I can fly but haven't considered it for these uses yet. I think I can fly the Scorpion too.

My whole focus was on the Tengu for this, but I can't seem to find any fit that will make it acceptable for this. I am not good at PVP yet and so far am only able to survive fights when I can get all my shield resists in the 70s, with a shield booster to boot.

Some very weak points about the new Tengu design:

-No drone option! Previously, I would use drones for either added DPS, distractions, or often webbing/neuting
-Powergrid options are no good. The amount of mids we can get are ridiculous but generally many would sit empty due to lack of power.
-No good missile fits available for solo'ing -Can be a useable missile boat for gank or fleet but there are many way better choices.

Now I am a basically brand new player, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I cannot see where there is focus or direction in the design of this ship. It is not a generalist by any means now. But I am not sure what it actually specializes in either. It seems to be just a mismash of patch jobs now. Any input on this from CCP or players would be very well received, as I have invested a lot into this!

With the T3 cruiser changes, I don't see myself using the Tengu for my initial intended purpose anymore. So my question is this:

Since I have already invested heavily in this ship skill wise, what SHOULD I be using the Tengu for once these changes take affect? I do see gank potential with many Tengu's on the field as one strong option for this ship, but this was not exactly the style of play I was aiming for. That being said, I am not closed to it -this is a game afterall and if we can find something fun to do...


Thanks in advance for your reply.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2017-06-29 18:21:23 UTC
Rumi Shanti wrote:
I did not by any means consider it overpowered before the changes.

that's what they all say right before they get nerfed.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Beast of Constipation
Doomheim
#3 - 2017-06-29 21:25:33 UTC
[Tengu, sisi Tengu]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Expanded Probe Launcher II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

>500 dps kinetic unheated , non kinetic faction ammo heats >500 .. good for ruining an explo. frig's day ..



Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#4 - 2017-07-03 09:23:37 UTC
Rumi Shanti wrote:

Since I have already invested heavily in this ship skill wise, what SHOULD I be using the Tengu for once these changes take affect? I do see gank potential with many Tengu's on the field as one strong option for this ship, but this was not exactly the style of play I was aiming for. That being said, I am not closed to it -this is a game afterall and if we can find something fun to do...


Thanks in advance for your reply.


The Tengu can still be used for WH sites after the change, its just not as OP as before.

C3s for example only really need a tank of ~400 with burst up to about 600. The Current Tengu can have way more than that but its not needed. (IE a Dual rep C3 Legion from before the Battery changes only had 700 tank with both reps running and it was not stable, still ran all but the 2 hardest sites with ease)

IE - SIsi Tengu

Tanks 677 cold cap stable with 10 C/s to spare, does 680 with faction and almost 798 with T2. Goes 600 M/S. 2 application mods (swap 1 for range if required). And its not even very bling.

In fact the post Nerf Tengu is still better in many cases then a Legion or Prot at C3s before Nerf.

[Tengu, C3]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Target Painter II
Domination EM Ward Amplifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Stacy Osinova
Rubicon Corp
Cyno.Up
#5 - 2017-07-04 08:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Stacy Osinova
I don't understand what are you whining about. Tengu became even better. With little bit less damage for PVE (1006 dps on Sisi vs 1040 on tranquility now) it tanks way better. On tranquility current fit for Guristas 10/10 is


[Tengu, guristas 10/10]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Thukker Medium Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It's a bit overkill, and it does 1044 DPS with implants and skills at lvl5. I am using it with T2 BCU and without implants.

New fit is with Large booster, more tank and same DPS. And also a massive bonus, you can use normal cloack, cause you have free hi slot. So I can only thank CCP for such a change !

[Tengu, *pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Use this fit in a friendly system.

And fit below is for a system without outpost / station

[Tengu, pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
'Smokescreen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x792

Little less damage, but you are uncatchable now
Rumi Shanti
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#6 - 2017-07-06 23:48:48 UTC
Stacy Osinova wrote:
I don't understand what are you whining about. Tengu became even better. With little bit less damage for PVE (1006 dps on Sisi vs 1040 on tranquility now) it tanks way better. On tranquility current fit for Guristas 10/10 is


[Tengu, guristas 10/10]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Thukker Medium Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It's a bit overkill, and it does 1044 DPS with implants and skills at lvl5. I am using it with T2 BCU and without implants.

New fit is with Large booster, more tank and same DPS. And also a massive bonus, you can use normal cloack, cause you have free hi slot. So I can only thank CCP for such a change !

[Tengu, *pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Use this fit in a friendly system.

And fit below is for a system without outpost / station

[Tengu, pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
'Smokescreen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x792

Little less damage, but you are uncatchable now



Well with my skills (currently L3) I can only get max 359DPS w/t2 HAMs My best config is with RLMs but these are getting a rate of fire nerf shortly that will make them unattractive. I cannot break tank above a 4/10 on the the larger repped ships in Sansha. I have to to get in close and don't have the tank for that (16K HP). I would take hours to do a 6/10. Maybe at all L5 I would consider but I still don't see how you guys get the DPS! When I try I get nowhere near. Unless Sisi is not working properly for me. If I was out of hisec trying to run these I would be a sitting duck for hunters.
Stacy Osinova
Rubicon Corp
Cyno.Up
#7 - 2017-07-07 17:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Stacy Osinova
Rumi Shanti wrote:
Stacy Osinova wrote:
I don't understand what are you whining about. Tengu became even better. With little bit less damage for PVE (1006 dps on Sisi vs 1040 on tranquility now) it tanks way better. On tranquility current fit for Guristas 10/10 is


[Tengu, guristas 10/10]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Thukker Medium Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It's a bit overkill, and it does 1044 DPS with implants and skills at lvl5. I am using it with T2 BCU and without implants.

New fit is with Large booster, more tank and same DPS. And also a massive bonus, you can use normal cloack, cause you have free hi slot. So I can only thank CCP for such a change !

[Tengu, *pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Use this fit in a friendly system.

And fit below is for a system without outpost / station

[Tengu, pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
'Smokescreen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x792

Little less damage, but you are uncatchable now



Well with my skills (currently L3) I can only get max 359DPS w/t2 HAMs My best config is with RLMs but these are getting a rate of fire nerf shortly that will make them unattractive. I cannot break tank above a 4/10 on the the larger repped ships in Sansha. I have to to get in close and don't have the tank for that (16K HP). I would take hours to do a 6/10. Maybe at all L5 I would consider but I still don't see how you guys get the DPS! When I try I get nowhere near. Unless Sisi is not working properly for me. If I was out of hisec trying to run these I would be a sitting duck for hunters.


m8, Tengu requires all skills to Lvl 5 (including specialisation) and implants, if you want it to shine. Then this ship is a beast. For Sansha I guess it is the wrong ship, because it is not meant to do EM damage.
Orlacc
#8 - 2017-07-08 00:32:58 UTC
Rumi Shanti wrote:
Stacy Osinova wrote:
I don't understand what are you whining about. Tengu became even better. With little bit less damage for PVE (1006 dps on Sisi vs 1040 on tranquility now) it tanks way better. On tranquility current fit for Guristas 10/10 is


[Tengu, guristas 10/10]

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Thukker Medium Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

It's a bit overkill, and it does 1044 DPS with implants and skills at lvl5. I am using it with T2 BCU and without implants.

New fit is with Large booster, more tank and same DPS. And also a massive bonus, you can use normal cloack, cause you have free hi slot. So I can only thank CCP for such a change !

[Tengu, *pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Use this fit in a friendly system.

And fit below is for a system without outpost / station

[Tengu, pith x large]
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

'Thurifer' Large Cap Battery
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
'Smokescreen' Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Tengu Core - Augmented Graviton Reactor
Tengu Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x792

Little less damage, but you are uncatchable now



Well with my skills (currently L3) I can only get max 359DPS w/t2 HAMs My best config is with RLMs but these are getting a rate of fire nerf shortly that will make them unattractive. I cannot break tank above a 4/10 on the the larger repped ships in Sansha. I have to to get in close and don't have the tank for that (16K HP). I would take hours to do a 6/10. Maybe at all L5 I would consider but I still don't see how you guys get the DPS! When I try I get nowhere near. Unless Sisi is not working properly for me. If I was out of hisec trying to run these I would be a sitting duck for hunters.


So YOUR skills are the issue...not the new ship stats

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."